Minas Morgul Pre-Sale has Begun! Discussion thread

[Zalena1976]

And once again prices are a huge cash grab, and are set at ridiculous values. Yes, boo hoo I'm poor or rather don't want to spend a fortune on a "videogame" bundle that includes mostly virtual and cosmetic stuff, and yes I don't have to buy it if I don't want to. Sure. But every year it seems to get worse!

The only reason I would consider buying your "Ultimate" pack is for the exclusive cosmetics which look pretty good this time, and the titles. I don't care for the other things so you might as well include these things in the "Collectors" pack instead, no?
How can they even get away with stuffing a bunch of irrelevant things just to bump up the price? Like 5000 Virtue XP ?? That's literally nothing. Give us some LP instead. What a disappointment.

Guess I'll wait for a sale. Otherwise this pack might as well be called the "Whale Bait" pack. Keep whaling SSG.

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Of course its a cash grab. how else can the SSG be able to earn money to keep the game up and running. If u have a better idea how the company can earn their revenue, im sure they be happy to listen. If everyone thinks as you do and all players only gets expantions and other stiff with LP, then LOTRO will be dead within days.

[Malachi108]

What exactly is the "Updated Crafting Guilds' part? Does it mean that without the expansion I cannot advance my Crafting Guid rank?

[Vanyaerunanethiel]

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Of course its a cash grab. how else can the SSG be able to earn money to keep the game up and running. If u have a better idea how the company can earn their revenue, im sure they be happy to listen. If everyone thinks as you do and all players only gets expantions and other stiff with LP, then LOTRO will be dead within days.

That's right, finally one who thinks logically ,so many players do not understand the market nor how company performs in general. Its ultimately all business. Thank the Orome there are the exceptions on Arda. Indeed,narrow minded. You read my mind, nothing else to add.

Not adding race token was a wise move from Standing Stone Games. It will simply "force" players to buy it manually later on, having it included in any edition would not make desired profit.

[gildhur]

What exactly is the "Updated Crafting Guilds' part? Does it mean that without the expansion I cannot advance my Crafting Guid rank?

We don't know yet. But I highly doubt it gates current guild progress in any way. Perhaps adds more at the top end that requires it.

[Arnenna]

I will be buying with Store Points -- Arnenna, did you say that each of the bundles are available to buy with LPs later on in March 2020 ?

No, they will only be available in the marketplace - at any time. The Minas Morgul store points version purchased through the in game store will only have content - no fluff.

[Thurinuor]

Very nice! Will buy the Ultimate Bundle! <3

[Arnenna]

What exactly is the "Updated Crafting Guilds' part? Does it mean that without the expansion I cannot advance my Crafting Guid rank?

Guild ranks have always been available with either VIP, or bought through the store. I would hope that remains the same, but then, we haven't seen guild crafting for a very long time, so maybe this is a brand new type of guild crafting. Whatever it is, I hope it's not some expansion based ramp on for those who could never be bothered with the earlier guild grinds. That'll be my first point against the Xpac if it is. That shouldn't come bundled in with the Valar item either.

[Lisgrat]

I dont like dwarves. Many people do not like dwarves. Why do people who dont like dwarves have to pay for a new dwarf race in the Standard Edition?
In Mordor we received the “Aria of the Valar”, which is needed by most people, and it is justified in any of the bundles. Now we get a smaller location for the same price without Aria

[peachykins]

LMAO the whole thing is ridiculous. From the pricing to this coming out in just a little over a month & there has been no beta even started. What a mess. I feel for anyone wanting to purchase this with LP having to wait till March just shows they are desperate to squeeze as much money as they can out of players.

I didn't buy Mordor & certainly wont be buying this mess.

[Nevyn55]

I wanna know all about the stout axe dwarf race! How will it differ from a regular dwarf race? And will the lvl120 boost be like a new Valar thing - and result in a character that has quite a few gaps in the build due to skipping content? And the biggest question is can I really be bothered to wait til March next year or am I going to cave in and buy it now. Can't believe the difference in price for the better versions for mostly just cosmetic stuff or am I missing something there too?

I guess my biggest question is: is there a level cap raise included in this or does this include even more wasted xp accrued while exploring?

[Vanyaerunanethiel]

I dont like dwarves. Many people do not like dwarves. Why do people who dont like dwarves have to pay for a new dwarf race in the Standard Edition?
In Mordor we received the “Aria of the Valar”, which is needed by most people, and it is justified in any of the bundles. Now we get a smaller location for the same price without Aria

You'd be shocked,surprised and amazed how many do not love High female elves due to their Incredibly beauty an they envy them for their immortal life.

You are not paying for it extra,you are getting it for free basically, since 40$ is the fair and default price for Standard edition. Valar and Dwarf is but a bonus, 40$ you cannot get low for an expansion MMO pack. No really was needed by many, a lot of folks have had many alts already.

Mordor's Standard edition and both Morgul have great value and even if it was nothing else it would be justified, nobody sane enough will go under 40$ for Expansion pack. Nobody.

[Laurelinarien]

I guess my biggest question is: is there a level cap raise included in this or does this include even more wasted xp accrued while exploring?

Yes, new lvl cap will be 130...

People need to read more the 2 links Cordovan posted today... check Dev Tracker peeps.
And for info on Stout Axes: go to Bullroarer forum and find the last preview thread.

[Vanyaerunanethiel]

LMAO the whole thing is ridiculous. From the pricing to this coming out in just a little over a month & there has been no beta even started. What a mess. I feel for anyone wanting to purchase this with LP having to wait till March just shows they are desperate to squeeze as much money as they can out of players.

I didn't buy Mordor & certainly wont be buying this mess.

25 days BETA testing is more than enough. Its not ridiculous, you have to at least be more constructive and detailed. Time is money, You think I will wait for 3 months to get it with LP. In that time I could finish 20+ other games.

3-4 Months for an MMO is a lifetime. A hardcore extremely active player can do wonders in a single day if desire is too great.

[Nevyn55]

If you already bought one, no, I'd say it won't get updated into a new one. You'd need to purchase a 120 one when it comes live.



And you were right, we're getting to 130.

Where did you see this latter (level cap raise) info? I don't remember seeing anything about it.

Oops. Sorry, I didn't scroll all the way to the bottom of the blurb page to see that tidbit that should have been prominently displayed in the pre-order display verbiage.

[Laurelinarien]

Where did you see this latter (level cap raise) info? I don't remember seeing anything about it.

Please, check the links (this one in particular https://lotro.com/en/minasithil/), you'll see it there if you go all the way down the page.

I agree with you that the info is somewhat hidden.. I would offer my services to help with Marketing

SSG, better be true, coz otherwise you're making me look bad hahaha

[Aleziana]

I was hoping of bringing a race change token on the sales of the expansion. Anyway sales are the same as Mordors with the difference of standars edition which is better to give new race over valar. However i would defenetly prefered if we had in standar edition the xp item boost and 1 cosmetic outfit/warsteed set instead of the new race.I just prefer to give money for something more universal like cosmetics and xp items. I also have to admit that SSG played well with the stout axes in earlier release only via expansion purchase. I m not realy sure if i buy or not new expansion at this time.

[peachykins]

25 days BETA testing is more than enough. Its not ridiculous, you have to at least be more constructive and detailed. Time is money, You think I will wait for 3 months to get it with LP. In that time I could finish 20+ other games.

3-4 Months for an MMO is a lifetime. A hardcore extremely active player can do wonders in a single day if desire is too great.

LMAO

I dont have to be more constructive or anything else. I said what I said, short & to the point.

[hobbit1968]

$130 for the Ultimate Edition is Ridiculous. You would get more players to buy this edition if it wasn't so high in price.

[SophieTheEnchantress]

Congratulations to everyone at Standing Stone Games for completing yet another expansion!

If I may, I have a few questions:

1) Is the level cap increasing? If yes, how high?

2) Will updated Guild Crafting be available a la carte?

3) If the level cap is increasing, will Skirmish Soldiers also receive a level cap increase? If yes, will the Skirmish Soldier cap increase be available a la carte?

4) What does the exclusive 'Housing Teleport' do?

5) Can any L120 character reach the starting point for the expansion and dive in? I have numerous L120 characters but they are at Minas Tirith and have no L120 equipment. Does the expansion provide such characters with starter equipment and ability to jump over all the intervening regions? Will they suffer defeat at The Black Gate and be barred entry to the new region?

Thank you!

[Vanyaerunanethiel]

Congratulations to everyone at Standing Stone Games for completing yet another expansion!

If I may, I have a few questions:

1) Is the level cap increasing? If yes, how high?

2) Will updated Guild Crafting be available a la carte?

3) If the level cap is increasing, will Skirmish Soldiers also receive a level cap increase? If yes, will the Skirmish Soldier cap increase be available a la carte?

4) What does the exclusive 'Housing Teleport' do?

5) Can any L120 character reach the starting point for the expansion and dive in? I have numerous L120 characters but they are at Minas Tirith and have no L120 equipment. Does the expansion provide such characters with starter equipment and ability to jump over all the intervening regions? Will they suffer defeat at The Black Gate and be barred entry to the new region?

Thank you!

6) Read the thread and find the questions for your answers you will. At least for a few of them.

Incredible these days, why is reading so tiresome for certain individuals or taking your time and paying attention to release notes,news..

You will know more possibly on Cord's stream in 2 days.

[canyouaddcolour]

Question:

1. Will the Level 120 Level Boost (Valar) be useable at Level 120? Aria of Valar was only useable up to Level 104, whereas Gift and Blessing of Valar (50, 95 Boosts) were useable up to 50/95.

I would like to be able to use this new Valar for it's bonuses on some of my current Level 120s. It would significantly expand the usefulness of this package if we were able to use it at 120 for the bonuses.

[Smapper]

Yall wanna know something funny? This interview from 2017 still applies 100% word for word, the only difference is you all have spent $130 on a product that isn't even in beta yet, insane to me that this is even a thing.
Kinda sad when you can look back 2 years and all the issues are literally still the same from one expansion to the next.

[Lord.Funk]

Question:

1. Will the Level 120 Level Boost (Valar) be useable at Level 120? Aria of Valar was only useable up to Level 104, whereas Gift and Blessing of Valar (50, 95 Boosts) were useable up to 50/95.

I would like to be able to use this new Valar for it's bonuses on some of my current Level 120s. It would significantly expand the usefulness of this package if we were able to use it at 120 for the bonuses.

Agreed. Most of my 120 characters are far behind on virtue points for example after the the new system convertion. I had only focused on the ones I used and then stopped deeding. Not focused on raising all to 20, as I saw no point under the old system. Some virtues then changed and became different stat bonuses to me and also the bonus on passive ones makes all important now to have capped. Would be nice to get vxp boosters from the Valar to use on at least one of my 120 character. It has come to that the few valared characters I have from valars that came with Mordor have better stats now than the ones I played since 2007 (with some years break in between). I wouldnt buy vpx in the store, but as we get valars with the pack anyway it would be nice to acctually be able to use it. as I have no interest in starting a new character. I already have all classes, even two of some classes. So that boost that comes with the pack to 120 is kind of useless to me if it can not be used on a 120 character for the other bonuses. I would imagine to some other people as well.

[Arnenna]

You are not paying for it extra,you are getting it for free basically, since 40$ is the fair and default price for Standard edition. Valar and Dwarf is but a bonus

There is no Valar in the standard pack. For those that do not want the new dwarf race, they just get the content, for their $40. The dwarf race, stand alone costs 1000 LP (about $10's worth), so they are paying $30 just for the content, which isn't such a great deal when you consider Mordor standard pack came with a larger area, more content and a Valar item - -for the same amount of money.

With Mordor, the ulltimate and premium packs were over-priced and the base pack was good value for money. In this expansion, the ultimate and premium are over-priced but nowhere near as poor value as the base pack.

Of course, nothing will change now, because peolpe have already started buying it, but I think they've missed an opportunity to sell a lot more than they probably will with this pricing, as was the case with Mordor, when we saw a lot of people waiting for the later release for store points.

[Olebenny]

https://www.lotro.com/en/game/articl...-questions-faq

CAN I PURCHASE THE EXPANSION WITH LOTRO POINTS?
The Minas Morgul expansion will be available for Store Points in March 2020 and will be priced as follows:

Base Edition (includes the Minas Morgul Region & Instances only): 2495 Points
Stout-axe Dwarf: 1000 Points

This is the most confusing marketing technique there is. I understand the desire to try and get people to buy it immediately with cash and not saved up LP, waiting 4+ months? Thats absolutely ridiculous

So many of my friends, PAYING CUSTOMERS, left the game at mordor because of this absolute ridiculous wait. It should be 1, 2 months max.