Tolkien Jeopardy!

[LagunaD2]

Correct!

Well, I guess that was pretty lame. I should have read more of the thread first to be sure I wasn’t repeating something from earlier, especially that recent.

I'd say your poetic clue earned you a mulligan...try again!

[Boraxxe]

It's been over month with no follow-up from the last round's champion, so let's try an easy one to get things going again:

This race of abominations was created by Sauron's mentor in an act of sacrilege.

Besides being a pretty obvious answer, one must consider the asker: Dorfs.

edit: "What are Dorfs?"

We have a winner!

Er, a... point of order...??

If we assume that Tralfazz means Dwarves" when he states "Dorfs", then his answer to the question leaves me baffled.

A "mentor" of Sauron created Dwarves?

I remember that dwarves were created by Aule. Sauron did learn from Aule, but I never thought of Aule as a "mentor" to Sauron.
And, the implication that creating dwarves (a race of abominations?) was "an act of sacrilege" also leaves me a bit baffled.

It must be that I am completely misunderstanding either the "answer" and/or the "response".

LagunaD2, can you please explain?

[Pontin_Finnberry]

I'm confused when i read this, Yes Sauron was a Maiar of Aule, but dwarves were never ever abominations, where does this idea come from? they were a great race that was created and Eru allowed Aule creation to live. Edit: yes they did some bad things like over a piece of treasure, but doesn't make them abominations.

[LagunaD2]

LagunaD2, can you please explain?

Gladly!

As you acknowledge, Sauron was a maia of Aule before he became a servant of Melkor, "and he remained mighty in the lore of that people." (Valaquenta)

Thus, it is no stretch at all to call Aule "Sauron's mentor".

Dorfs were not among the Children of Illuvatar, and therefore are not people. If Aule had had his way, they would have infested and usurped Arda before Illuvatar's children (for whom Arda was created) appeared, making their creation an act of sacrilege as vile and reprehensible as anything Melkor ever attempted.

It's important to remember that the events surrounding Aule's rebellion were witnessed only by Illuvatar and Aule. Thus, any account of those events originates with Aule, the perpetrator himself!

Supposedly, Aule was (rightly) ashamed at what he had done, and Illuvatar forgave him. But a second likely reason the twisted Dorfs were preserved is as an example to the other Valar: don't screw up like Aule did, or you'll end with an embarrassment like this staining your reputation for the rest of eternity.

Unlike the Children of Illuvatar, the misshapen Dorfs are unlovely (to put it mildly) and uncouth. Given that, and the sordid circumstances of their origin, it is no stretch to call them abominations, either. They do not belong in Middle-earth.

[Boraxxe]

Gladly!

As you acknowledge, Sauron was a maia of Aule before he became a servant of Melkor, "and he remained mighty in the lore of that people." (Valaquenta)

Thus, it is no stretch at all to call Aule "Sauron's mentor".

Dorfs were not among the Children of Illuvatar, and therefore are not people. If Aule had had his way, they would have infested and usurped Arda before Illuvatar's children (for whom Arda was created) appeared, making their creation an act of sacrilege as vile and reprehensible as anything Melkor ever attempted.

It's important to remember that the events surrounding Aule's rebellion were witnessed only by Illuvatar and Aule. Thus, any account of those events originates with Aule, the perpetrator himself!

Supposedly, Aule was (rightly) ashamed at what he had done, and Illuvatar forgave him. But a second likely reason the twisted Dorfs were preserved is as an example to the other Valar: don't screw up like Aule did, or you'll end with an embarrassment like this staining your reputation for the rest of eternity.

Unlike the Children of Illuvatar, the misshapen Dorfs are unlovely (to put it mildly) and uncouth. Given that, and the sordid circumstances of their origin, it is no stretch to call them abominations, either. They do not belong in Middle-earth.

OK.
Well answered. I can accept that. I may not agree with it 100%, but how many things do we agree with 100%?
Thanks!

[Pontin_Finnberry]

I don't agree with this reading, cause you have to remember why Aulë made the dwarves when Eru asked him.

Then Aulë answered: 'I did not desire such lordship. I desired things other than I am, to love and to teach them, so that they too might perceive the beauty of Eä, which thou hast caused to be. For it seemed to me that there is great room in Arda for many things that might rejoice in it, yet it is for the most part empty still, and dumb. -The Silmarillion, Chapter II, Of Aulë and Yavanna

Aulë had good motives for his creation and was sad to destroy them, but Eru having compassion stopped him letting his creation live and have a fëa (Soul), cause he understood Aulë good motives, so saying dwarves were created as abominations is far from it, its like saying Aulë had bad intentions for his creation. Don't agree with use of the word abomination here at all, but we don't have to agree.

Anyway don't want to get off track from the game here, just was sharing my thoughts, continue on and have fun with the game.

[Tralfazz]

Boraxxe and Pontin, Laguna is responding to your questions with gravity but this "Dorf" thing is an affectation he has adopted in a spirit of fun. Basically, he's role-playing a Dwarf-loathing troll (that's troll, not Troll). Look at his forum sig. It's a grand jest and perhaps partly identification with his Creep characters in PvMP.

[LagunaD2]

Dorfs are sneaky and greedy, and you should never trust their self-serving stories about themselves.

They claim they just *happened* to stumble on a freaking Balrog in Moria. That's what the Dorfs want us to believe. But it's more likely that they were attempting to negotiate an alliance with the Balrog when it decided to kick their fat butts instead.

It's also obvious that Gloin is lying through its teeth at the Council of Elrond: in truth, the sneaky, greedy Dorfs sold out Bilbo (again) and told Sauron where to find the Shire! The dispatch of the Black Riders coincides with one of the "visits" (i.e. bargaining sessions) of the emissary from Mordor with Dain. Gloin and his simpleton son were then sent to cover their tracks at the Council.

Never trust a Dorf!

[LagunaD2]

Boraxxe and Pontin, Laguna is responding to your questions with gravity but this "Dorf" thing is an affectation he has adopted in a spirit of fun. Basically, he's role-playing a Dwarf-loathing troll (that's troll, not Troll). Look at his forum sig. It's a grand jest and perhaps partly identification with his Creep characters in PvMP.

Ssshhh!!



Anyway, it's still your turn to pose another Jeopardy answer, Tralfazz...

[Tralfazz]

I cut down trees
I eats my lunch
Have buttered scones for tea

I blows me horn
I runs away
After? Cannot say

[LagunaD2]

Another great clue!

Who is Ted Sandyman?

[Tralfazz]

Who is Ted Sandyman?

Correct!

[LagunaD2]

Correct!

Wow, really?

OK.

Held the winged crown longer than any other.

[Tralfazz]

Held the winged crown longer than any other.

Who is King Eärnil II?

He “held” it for over a thousand years. Of course, he was dead for nearly all of that time.

[LagunaD2]

Who is King Eärnil II?

He “held” it for over a thousand years. Of course, he was dead for nearly all of that time.

Correct!

[Tralfazz]

I have no head
To turn around
To make me dance
Or make me bound

I had a head
But now it's free
There is no head on me

It's in a hole
'Cause it's been Took
That little schnook
Now I can't look

I had a head
But now it's free
There is no head on me

Hi-ho! Hobbits are a-swingin'!
Hi-ho! Hobbits all around!
Hi-ho! Hobbits are a-dingin'!
Get that club away from me!

I had a head
It's in a hole
My neck's still whole
(Have I a soul?)

I had a head
But now it's free
There is no head on me

[Boraxxe]

Who is Golfimbul?

He also used to say; "There ain't no bugs on me!"

But that was when he still hadda head.

[Tralfazz]

Who is Golfimbul?

He also used to say; "There ain't no bugs on me!"

But that was when he still hadda head.

Correct!

And heads-up because =TAG= you're it!

[Boraxxe]

OK.
Here is the next one:

He was Sauron's bane.

[LagunaD2]

OK.
Here is the next one:

He was Sauron's bane.

Wow, that's kind of vague.

After thinking about this a bit, I think best choice may be:

Who was Melkor?

The rationale being that all Sauron's subsequent troubles and defeats were caused by Melkor leading him down the path of evil.

[Pontin_Finnberry]

OK.
Here is the next one:

He was Sauron's bane.

Hmmm

Who is Gollum?

(He fell in Mount Doom with the one ring ending Sauron.)

[LagunaD2]

Hmmm

Who is Gollum?

(He fell in Mount Doom with the one ring ending Sauron.)

Yes, certainly. But I thought that was too obvious.

Olorin/Mithrandir/Gandalf, who orchestrated the resistance to Sauron, would be another candidate.

But neither Gollum nor Gandalf would have bothered Sauron if Melkor hadn't led him astray in the first place.

[Boraxxe]

Hmmm

Who is Gollum?

(He fell in Mount Doom with the one ring ending Sauron.)

Yes.
Sauron's downfall (and ultimate dismissal into the wind) was a direct result of Sméagol (Gollum) acquiring the One Ring and then plunging to his death (while clutching Frodo's ring-wearing finger) into the bubbling brew in the volcanic cone of Orodruin (Mt. Doom).

From Miriam-Webster; Bane: Middle English, "killer, agent of death, death," going back to Old English bana "killer, agent of death," .

Yes, many others helped to get Sméagol and the Ring to that theatre of death, but Sméagol was the immediate cause of his ending.

You are up Pontin!
Have fun!

[Wolfhelm]

Yes.
Sauron's downfall (and ultimate dismissal into the wind) was a direct result of Sméagol (Gollum) acquiring the One Ring and then plunging to his death (while clutching Frodo's ring-wearing finger) into the bubbling brew in the volcanic cone of Orodruin (Mt. Doom).

From Miriam-Webster; Bane: Middle English, "killer, agent of death, death," going back to Old English bana "killer, agent of death," .

Yes, many others helped to get Sméagol and the Ring to that theatre of death, but Sméagol was the immediate cause of his ending.

You are up Pontin!
Have fun!

I for one think that was a very clever riddle, of all the movers and shakers in Middle-earth, a little creep like Gollum was the one who ultimately brought Sauron down. It shouldn't be forgotten that not only did Gollum ensure the destruction of the Ring when the quest appeared to have failed, but he also managed to keep the Ring hidden from Sauron for 500 years. It wasn't until Bilbo brought the Ring out into the light of day that Sauron managed discover where it was.

[Pontin_Finnberry]

Alright Here's another:

She who is of nature is considered long lost but not forgotten.