Please do not make collectibles (Pets/Mounts) limited to a single reward season

[Strider5548]

There are some images floating around of pet rewards in the second season of the LI reward track. I'm personally happy to have pets, mounts, titles, and cosmetics as part of the LI Reward tracks, but what I am hoping SSG does not do is limit said rewards to a specific non-recurring season.

LOTRO is overwhelmingly a completionist's game, and while there is a place for one-time titles, creating objects that belong in the collections panel as 'limited time only' will only frustrate players who were not able to participate at that specific point in time.

[shino047]

Cosmetic items as limited time rewards is completely fine

What is NOT fine is gear from limited time events, gear that can't be got from anywhere else and if you didn't get it, you are screwed forever, because some of the gear are bis or have unique stats that can't be replaced by other items

[Sovereign50]

LOTRO is overwhelmingly a completionist's game

It's overwhelmingly a story-based game. FTFY.

[Arabani]

Gear from limited time events is absolutely fine - there will be more levels, better gear next patch, next year, whatever. Gear is irrelevant by itself, it is only means to kill something.

Pets, mounts and other things stay forever. They are much more important. As for limited sources, well, I guess it's fine as long as the items return in the future.

[Pewpewmidget]

If you reward the pets and cosmetics to everyone on the account, present and future, then I would be fine with them adding it to the season pass.
But ultimately, it is not a good idea so I would prefer if cosmetics and pets would stay out of the season passes.
It's bad enough that they don't release the cosmetics and pets barred behind expansion packages or other sources to the lotro store.

[kudurru1]

One way to do it would be moving such an item (e.g. reward track ones or the ones only available from a hobbit gift) from earnable to store bought after some time - we no longer have pre-orders with exclusive items so no legal issue here.

As for the pets/mounts that were available for a short period of time to VIPs, those could be offered again from time to time as an incentive for subscribing.

[Thurinuor]

I am a completionist and if a pet will be limited to a single season it would be a nightmare. Please, don't do that!

[shino047]

Gear from limited time events is absolutely fine - there will be more levels, better gear next patch, next year, whatever. Gear is irrelevant by itself, it is only means to kill something.

Pets, mounts and other things stay forever. They are much more important. As for limited sources, well, I guess it's fine as long as the items return in the future.

No one would be playing the instances and raids if their mindset was "there will be better gear next year". Having advantage because of gear that was only available for a short time is extremely unfair and creates imbalance. Cosmetics and pets are absolutely irrelevant

[Strider5548]

No one would be playing the instances and raids if their mindset was "there will be better gear next year". Having advantage because of gear that was only available for a short time is extremely unfair and creates imbalance. Cosmetics and pets are absolutely irrelevant

That's not really the point. We're talking about something that is actually planned according to the current collections panel, there's a pet described as "limited season 2 reward", which implies that the next reward track will have pets that can only be acquired during that time.

It's fine if pets/mounts are acquired through the reward track, but if they are only available for 3 months then gone forever it is not OK, regardless of whether some players think they are "absolutely irrelevant".

[Pewpewmidget]

It's fine if pets/mounts are acquired through the reward track, but if they are only available for 3 months then gone forever it is not OK, regardless of whether some players think they are "absolutely irrelevant".

Agreed. And can only be claimed one time just makes it a lot worse if it's not shared across the same account.

[shino047]

That's not really the point. We're talking about something that is actually planned according to the current collections panel, there's a pet described as "limited season 2 reward", which implies that the next reward track will have pets that can only be acquired during that time.

It's fine if pets/mounts are acquired through the reward track, but if they are only available for 3 months then gone forever it is not OK, regardless of whether some players think they are "absolutely irrelevant".

This problem literally exists already with bis gear and people here are worried about pets

[WeirdJedi]

This problem literally exists already with bis gear and people here are worried about pets

There will always be opportunities for you to get better items in the near future. That gear you get from the festival can easily be replaced with very little deviation from your performance. And you will always have an opportunity to get the gear again the following year.

The pets we refer to is like what happened with the Ill Omens Event, only worse. We are getting something different, irreplaceable, that cannot be ever gotten again... at least that is how it appears from Strider's complaint. How many people would like the opportunity to become a horse when that option was only available for those who purchased the Riders of Rohan Legendary Edition? Or what about the opportunity to collect the decorations from the Bounder's Bounty Event that have not been made available again outside the legendary servers? I personally found it really unusual that the items inside the Gold Hobbit Gifts during the Midsummer Festival have not returned from their initial year.

Either it is both ok to have time-limited gear and cosmetics or it isn't. Considering that there are people from both sides who have expressed concern about these things, it is fair to argue that neither case is good.

[Rylnconn]

There are some images floating around of pet rewards in the second season of the LI reward track. I'm personally happy to have pets, mounts, titles, and cosmetics as part of the LI Reward tracks, but what I am hoping SSG does not do is limit said rewards to a specific non-recurring season.

LOTRO is overwhelmingly a completionist's game, and while there is a place for one-time titles, creating objects that belong in the collections panel as 'limited time only' will only frustrate players who were not able to participate at that specific point in time.

I for one , do not want to see any pets or bling or housing stuff show up in the reward track .. The track should be exclusive to Li growth . Thats what this whole excursion has been about the last 8 months or more .
Pets, bling housing stuff can all be bartered through the vendors they have now .

[CloudCastle]

I for one , do not want to see any pets or bling or housing stuff show up in the reward track .. The track should be exclusive to Li growth . Thats what this whole excursion has been about the last 8 months or more .
Pets, bling housing stuff can all be bartered through the vendors they have now .

Yeah, I love cosmetics, but I really don't want to see the reward track "diluted" with non LI-based rewards. We were told over and over that the LI track was the answer to getting traceries and scripts, particularly as an alternative to running instances. It's supposed to be a way to feed alts, and a way for soloers to advance their LIs with out raiding. Every reward that becomes a pet is a reward that could have been a valuable LI reward instead.

[Flaxie]

Yeah, I love cosmetics, but I really don't want to see the reward track "diluted" with non LI-based rewards. We were told over and over that the LI track was the answer to getting traceries and scripts, particularly as an alternative to running instances. It's supposed to be a way to feed alts, and a way for soloers to advance their LIs with out raiding. Every reward that becomes a pet is a reward that could have been a valuable LI reward instead.

agree wholeheartedly

I would even go so far as to say I'm disappointed with the "figments & motes" chests that are already there.
I would much rather see more AS chests instead. (preferably with larger amounts of AS)

[Rylnconn]

agree wholeheartedly

I would even go so far as to say I'm disappointed with the "figments & motes" chests that are already there.
I would much rather see more AS chests instead. (preferably with larger amounts of AS)

I concur ...

[Raninia]

I talked about this when the Reward Track was in development, will reiterate:

It was always intended for non-LI specific rewards to be adding to the LI Reward Track. But the LI Reward Track will still be overwhelmingly focused on LIs.
No reward on the LI Reward Track will appear only in one season, but there will probably be long breaks before they reappear, particularly more unique rewards, such as cosmetics. Rarely, if ever, will these sorts of rewards be available in back-to-back seasons.

[Strider5548]

I talked about this when the Reward Track was in development, will reiterate:

It was always intended for non-LI specific rewards to be adding to the LI Reward Track. But the LI Reward Track will still be overwhelmingly focused on LIs.
No reward on the LI Reward Track will appear only in one season, but there will probably be long breaks before they reappear, particularly more unique rewards, such as cosmetics. Rarely, if ever, will these sorts of rewards be available in back-to-back seasons.

Thank you for confirming!

I do agree with the other posters that the LI track should be overwhelmingly based on LI related rewards, but I have no issue with pets/cosmetics being thrown in here and there as long as they become available again at some point, which is how you outlined it.

[Rylnconn]

I talked about this when the Reward Track was in development, will reiterate:

It was always intended for non-LI specific rewards to be adding to the LI Reward Track. But the LI Reward Track will still be overwhelmingly focused on LIs.
No reward on the LI Reward Track will appear only in one season, but there will probably be long breaks before they reappear, particularly more unique rewards, such as cosmetics. Rarely, if ever, will these sorts of rewards be available in back-to-back seasons.

Talking about it in development , is no guarantee that it would be implemented . And you may have always intended it to be so , but that was never put to print ... untill now that is .

This is not what many of us wish to do with our grind .. like stated " Figments and motes should be taken out as well "
Not everyone is on the figment or embers train .. or housing bling , pet sanctuary etc etc . that does nothing for many of us and they are totally useless .
It Was stated in the very beginning that the reward track was for Li growth ... Not Li growth and stuff .
This has taken a turn for the worse ..

[WeirdJedi]

It Was stated in the very beginning that the reward track was for Li growth ... Not Li growth and stuff

I feel that they have always intended to have other items in the Reward Track. I remember responding to someone with this very question in the Bullroarer Update #32 thread back in January and I'll just repeat it here:

September: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjCCyZty22I&t=2565s "occasionally non-LI goodies"

To response to: "Will there be mounts, furniture, pets, cosmetics, titles, something interresting, valuable and unic (like a player house or carry-all)? Because, speaking frankly, runes and traceries as rewards are not encouraging, we can get them in the game already."

As this is the Legendary Item Reward Track, most rewards will be focused around Legendary Items, but we will have other rewards as well.

December: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPWEUwwk9vE&t=15m "few cosmetics options like pets but I don't know if they have been nailed down"

Maybe they did say that it was intended for LI Growth, but I see them stating that there would be other things that would be included for a long time too.

[Esgalad]

I talked about this when the Reward Track was in development, will reiterate:

It was always intended for non-LI specific rewards to be adding to the LI Reward Track. But the LI Reward Track will still be overwhelmingly focused on LIs.
No reward on the LI Reward Track will appear only in one season, but there will probably be long breaks before they reappear, particularly more unique rewards, such as cosmetics. Rarely, if ever, will these sorts of rewards be available in back-to-back seasons.

Is there currently an in game, or on the official website guide to the LI reward track and how to use it? Or even the "new" LIs at all? I've been back for two months and non of these systems seem intuitive or as easy to use as the old one.

[WeirdJedi]

Is there currently an in game, or on the official website guide to the LI reward track and how to use it? Or even the "new" LIs at all? I've been back for two months and non of these systems seem intuitive or as easy to use as the old one.

https://www.lotro.com/guides/lotro-l...vember-2021-en Here you go. Main Website > Guides would have also shown you where to go. The only thing in-game is what was already included with the Moria Epic. It covers all the basics. If you want explicit details like numbers or where items drop, you'll have to consult the wiki - https://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Legendary_Items, or even the links at the bottom of that page to community pages.

[Esgalad]

https://www.lotro.com/guides/lotro-l...vember-2021-en Here you go. Main Website > Guides would have also shown you where to go. The only thing in-game is what was already included with the Moria Epic. It covers all the basics. If you want explicit details like numbers or where items drop, you'll have to consult the wiki - https://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Legendary_Items, or even the links at the bottom of that page to community pages.

Thanks, didn't even know this existed. Should be up on top of the website and not a scroll down in the news. Still not a great guide, but I am glad there is something here.

[Ketriana]

I actually like the idea of cosmetics and pets/mounts being in the reward track because that's a lot more exciting to me than LI stuff. However, I really hope that pets/mounts obtained that way will be available across the entire account because having to choose just one character to claim that stuff will be quite frustrating.

[Raninia]

Talking about it in development , is no guarantee that it would be implemented . And you may have always intended it to be so , but that was never put to print ... untill now that is .

This is not what many of us wish to do with our grind .. like stated " Figments and motes should be taken out as well "
Not everyone is on the figment or embers train .. or housing bling , pet sanctuary etc etc . that does nothing for many of us and they are totally useless .
It Was stated in the very beginning that the reward track was for Li growth ... Not Li growth and stuff .
This has taken a turn for the worse ..

As WeirdJedi points out, we explicitly said what we were planning and now we're executing on that. We've been (thankfully) pretty consistent about this. I appreciate that's not what you want here, but there hasn't been any deception.