Rings of Power

[Radhruin_EU]

Yet, you're still watching it. Whether or not you're picking it apart for review is irrelevant, you're still part of the stats for it's success. I can overcome most things that I don't like when watching any adaptation on a book, but now and again, if something really gets to me, I just abandon it. It's not worth the mental acrobatics.

There's only one of me and I'm not just watching it, I'm making a point of standing up and being counted when it comes to saying how bad it is, in my own small way. I think that needed saying. Don't get me wrong, generally when I don't like something I'd give up on it (WoT being a particular case in point) and I'll only mention that in passing if the subject comes up, but Tolkien is (needless to say) something I'm far more invested in.

Sometimes series are just so bad though that you don't really have to look hard to see the flaws. Wheel of Time, for example (as it' was also from Amazon) - many years ago, I gave up on the book series partway through as I realised how over-long, padded, repetitive and derivative it was so it's been forever since I read The Eye of the World, but even I could see that Amazon had dropped the ball there. (Again, it was morbid curiosity that led me to check it out but it took me hardly any time at all to nope out of there).

[elvenes]

hate watching is so dumb... I'd rather occupy my time with something I actually enjoy

[Radhruin_EU]

There are differences, absolutely. I never said the series followed the books to the letter, because its clear it doesn't.
But you are so obsessed with details that you can no longer see the big picture, so to speak.
The big picture of the different factions of Numenor, where one wanted to remain close to the elves, and the other not. Where a powerhungry, populist politician takes over
and is then further corrupted by Sauron, which ultimately led to the destruction of Numenor, is the same.

No, just pointing out that if you change a character's entire family background and life history, it's not the same character. That the series retains some core concepts like the Faithful etc. doesn't change that.

Also Pharazon wasn't a populist politician, he was a member of the royal family with a claim of his own to the throne (just not as strong as Miriel's) and it was a GoT-style power grab. That's not just a detail, that's big-picture stuff.

[Skyfoot_A]

I'm making a point of standing up and being counted when it comes to saying how bad it is...

Being counted by whom?*



*That was a rhetorical question, nobody cares.


smh

[TesalionLortus]

They create their own story in this story so to speak. Love it or hate it, I dont really care.

Yes... and the question is why? What is the reason? Why possibly do it? When they have the rights to the correct story...

At the same time, let me tell you: such great story about Numenor with the same result but something is missing... hmm, wait... what could it possibly be... Unless I was sleepy somewhere, so far nobody mentioned the long Numenorean lifespan and bothered to introduce/explain that to viewers, not once. And that's as far off as you can possibly get, also the showrunners are skilled crowd manipulators apparently, because during the meetup with fans they knew all the right things to say (like favourite Tolkien theme and the answer was mortality) but then the show came out and these things can't be found anywhere in the story about Numenor... oh, wait, they made elves loose immortality... Was that the mortality they were talking about then? Must have read the wrong book then...

Well, it's things like this that make me in awe of the lengths of stupidity an "adaptation" may go to... The point is: there was NO reason for these changes and yet there they are, there was no reason for them to "create their own story in this story" (as if they didn't have the rights lol) and yet they've done it

[Skyfoot_A]

hate watching is so dumb... I'd rather occupy my time with something I actually enjoy

^^This. Even more so...hate watching and then coming onto an online forum for LOTRO and telling everyone how much you dislike the show and how they are wrong with all their opinions and such. LOL.

Boggles the mind.

[TesalionLortus]

^^This. Even more so...hate watching and then coming onto an online forum for LOTRO and telling everyone how much you dislike the show and how they are wrong with all their opinions and such. LOL.

Nah, you haven't seen real hate watching, go and check out YouTube. Here all I've seen is just constructive discussion and last time I checked "forum" is about the discussion.

Also, it's hardly hate watching when the way it's constructed and written is more funny than a comedy with Dwayne Johnson

[Skyfoot_A]

Nah, you haven't seen real hate watching, go and check out YouTube. Here all I've seen is just constructive discussion and last time I checked "forum" is about the discussion.

Also, it's hardly hate watching when the way it's constructed and written is more funny than a comedy with Dwayne Johnson

Justify it all you want, you are still watching something you purport to dislike....dislike enough that you are willing to come to an online forum for a video game to discuss how much you dislike a TV show.

I'm using the general "you" here.

It's amusing to watch play out, but it's also a bit sad and pointless.

[TesalionLortus]

Justify it all you want, you are still watching something you purport to dislike....dislike enough that you are willing to come to an online forum for a video game to discuss how much you dislike a TV show.

I'm using the general "you" here.

It's amusing to watch play out, but it's also a bit sad and pointless.

Ok... ? You're acting like someone is in the wrong place. However, this is the thread to discuss the show. So that's what people are doing here, simple.

[DavidmeetHal]

hate watching is so dumb... I'd rather occupy my time with something I actually enjoy

Agreed 100%. I could not make it past the first couple of episodes in the Wheel of Time, and I have too many enjoyable shows on Netflix to bother watching ROP. Some of the foreign ones with subtitles are actually not bad.

I still read the forums here, even though I haven’t watched the show.

[LabadalofDorlomin]

Much repeated blurb

I pop in and out of this thread from week to week and it still makes me chuckle how the most vehement opponents are still posting much and continuing the conversation and interest. If it is that bad for you then maybe stop stoking the fire and let it fester and go out if that is truly what you think it will do.

[Radhruin_EU]

I pop in and out of this thread from week to week and it still makes me chuckle how the most vehement opponents are still posting much and continuing the conversation and interest. If it is that bad for you then maybe stop stoking the fire and let it fester and go out if that is truly what you think it will do.

Err... maybe because the series is still ongoing? There's a thought.

[paintpixie]

I pop in and out of this thread from week to week and it still makes me chuckle how the most vehement opponents are still posting much and continuing the conversation and interest. If it is that bad for you then maybe stop stoking the fire and let it fester and go out if that is truly what you think it will do.

I read threads on these forums and others, and it always makes me chuckle how there are people out there who are so bothered that other people make posts complaining about something rather than ignoring that thing. And rather than ignoring those people, they instead choose to add their opinion to the thread, but not about the issue the thread is about, rather the people who find it important enough to say something about. As though they are so morally above the topic, but they just want to make sure the people in it are aware of it.
I'll bet it could go on eternally, too, with all of our moral superiority over one another. ; P

(I think the show was made poorly, and have no interest in it, btw.)

Additionally, (I'm not suggesting the show is evil.) there is a saying along the lines of "all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing" (or something to that effect). If people feel strongly about something, whether this show, or the state of the game (a big deal for fans on ANY game forum), or anything else, it is their responsibility to speak up about it. In this case, I suppose evil could be switched out for mediocrity...
The people who complain the most are usually those who have it the closest to their hearts, and who are we to judge what somebody holds dear and will "fight" over?

[Arnenna]

Yes... and the question is why? What is the reason? Why possibly do it? When they have the rights to the correct story...

At the same time, let me tell you: such great story about Numenor with the same result but something is missing... hmm, wait... what could it possibly be... Unless I was sleepy somewhere, so far nobody mentioned the long Numenorean lifespan and bothered to introduce/explain that to viewers, not once. And that's as far off as you can possibly get, also the showrunners are skilled crowd manipulators apparently, because during the meetup with fans they knew all the right things to say (like favourite Tolkien theme and the answer was mortality) but then the show came out and these things can't be found anywhere in the story about Numenor... oh, wait, they made elves loose immortality... Was that the mortality they were talking about then? Must have read the wrong book then...

Well, it's things like this that make me in awe of the lengths of stupidity an "adaptation" may go to... The point is: there was NO reason for these changes and yet there they are, there was no reason for them to "create their own story in this story" (as if they didn't have the rights lol) and yet they've done it

Elves are immortal in the sense that they do not die of old age etc. They can recover from wounds that would kill humans, but they can be killed, and many die in battle. Numenoreans are not immortal. They have long life, as in, a normal life, just like every other human, which means they too can die in battle, from injuries, sickness etc. Lifespan has nothing to do with how long they live. They can live up to 300 - 400 years, as long as they don't die before that of something like sickness, accident, or battle.

The average lifespan for human beings out in the real world is 70 - 85 years, but, they can still die at any age between that and the day of their birth.

Numeronean history is unfolding slowly in the series. We already hear of long lost relations with the elves and I think there will be plenty more on that to follow.

[DKenny]

....Numeronean history is unfolding slowly in the series. We already hear of long lost relations with the elves and I think there will be plenty more on that to follow.

No, it isn't. Other than the name "Numenorean", it has nothing to do with Tolkien's history of Numenor.

[DKenny]

I read threads on these forums and others, and it always makes me chuckle how there are people out there who are so bothered that other people make posts complaining about something rather than ignoring that thing. And rather than ignoring those people, they instead choose to add their opinion to the thread, but not about the issue the thread is about, rather the people who find it important enough to say something about. As though they are so morally above the topic, but they just want to make sure the people in it are aware of it.
I'll bet it could go on eternally, too, with all of our moral superiority over one another. ; P

Exactly. One group is complaining about a bad show, perhaps one in which they had some hope it would be good. The second group is complaining about the people saying bad things about the show. It's not symmetrical, as the first is talking about the show and the second is talking about other people's opinions of the show.

(I think the show was made poorly, and have no interest in it, btw.)

Superficially nice look. Horrible writing / story. Epic fail.

Additionally, (I'm not suggesting the show is evil.) there is a saying along the lines of "all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing" (or something to that effect). If people feel strongly about something, whether this show, or the state of the game (a big deal for fans on ANY game forum), or anything else, it is their responsibility to speak up about it. In this case, I suppose evil could be switched out for mediocrity...
The people who complain the most are usually those who have it the closest to their hearts, and who are we to judge what somebody holds dear and will "fight" over?

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”

[Arnenna]

Exactly. One group is complaining about a bad show, perhaps one in which they had some hope it would be good. The second group is complaining about the people saying bad things about the show. It's not symmetrical, as the first is talking about the show and the second is talking about other people's opinions of the show.

I'm fine with others not liking the show. Each to their own and all that, and happy to read their views.

But also happy to post my own opinion on the show, which - doesn't seem to be acceptable by some, and is seen as - group 2.

[Arnenna]

No, it isn't. Other than the name "Numenorean", it has nothing to do with Tolkien's history of Numenor.

How would you know though, if you're not watching it. Is this something that you've picked up from the Youtube critics? All I can say is, you've been misinformed. This history of Numenor is unfolding, and there are references to the source material. I think we will see a lot more of it later too.

[DKenny]

I'm fine with others not liking the show. Each to their own and all that, and happy to read their views.

But also happy to post my own opinion on the show, which - doesn't seem to be acceptable by some, and is seen as - group 2.

Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion of it. If you enjoy it then I really don't have much to say about it. Notice, my response to your comment was specifically related to the content of the show (i.e. whether or not one can describe what's happening in the show as "Numenorean history unfolding", not whether or not you enjoy that content (which of course I have no say in).

[DKenny]

How would you know though, if you're not watching it. Is this something that you've picked up from the Youtube critics? All I can say is, you've been misinformed. This history of Numenor is unfolding, and there are references to the source material. I think we will see a lot more of it later too.

You seem to dismiss a lot of criticism by attributing it to "Youtube critics". There are a lot of places on the internet where plots are summarized, and discrepancies / inconsistencies / contradictions are described / explained. You're entitled to your view that it is "Numenorean history". Too many glaring contradictions / discrepancies for me to accept it as such.

[Arnenna]

You seem to dismiss a lot of criticism by attributing it to "Youtube critics". There are a lot of places on the internet where plots are summarized, and discrepancies / inconsistencies / contradictions are described / explained. You're entitled to your view that it is "Numenorean history". Too many glaring contradictions / discrepancies for me to accept it as such.

Okay, Youtube was just an example, of course there are other places where the show is being dissected and discussed. Sorry, but I'm not going to list them all when referring to the criticism. They all do - the same thing.

I'm purely interested in how you can formulate any opinion based on the opinion - probably biased opinion, seeing as they are criticising the show - of others.

There has been mentions of Numemor and it's history in the show. Granted, there is a lot more that could be added, but, that may come later. I didn't get that info second hand, from anyone else. I got it straight from the show. Discrepancies and contradictions, now, I made no mention of those. There are some of those too. My response was to the post that said that there is no history of Numenor - when there is.

If all you do is go looking for negative reviews, then all you will find is negative reviews.

[DKenny]

....If all you do is go looking for negative reviews, than all you will find is negative reviews.

Why do you assume that I'm only looking for negative reviews. I'm looking for description of content. Sometimes what they don't say is as important as what they do say. I don't need the opinion of others to form my own opinion. Actual factual reporting on content is sufficient.

[Arnenna]

Why do you assume that I'm only looking for negative reviews. I'm looking for description of content. Sometimes what they don't say is as important as what they do say. I don't need the opinion of others to form my own opinion. Actual factual reporting on content is sufficient.

Okeydokey then. I've based my opinion on watching the series. I have just taken a look at some factual reporting on the content out of curiosity, as well as some not so factual reporting. There is plenty of genuine review out there, positive and praising, as well as the negative.

With a bit of my own insight into the actual content, I know which is which and I can just close window on the rubbish, on both sides.

[Radhruin_EU]

My response was to the post that said that there is no history of Numenor - when there is.

That's overstating things, as they've said hardly anything. It all seems very non-committal, which is bothersome because if they were going to use the 'real' history they could safely commit to it any time. A little bit of exposition while Elendil and Galadriel were in the Hall of Lore would have worked a treat.

[Brutus778]

A mixed bag for me. I enjoy seeing Middle-Earth on screen and will watch all episodes unless I die. But...

There's no denying some or many things in the show suck a lot. The showrunners' lack of experience are showing in my opinion. The constant mysteries around characters and events may hook a 10-year old but the writers are quite frankly insulting majority of the viewers' intelligence. That is not what makes a good story. Nor is unrealistic travelling (read teleporting), weird and unrealistic actions/words of characters that seem to have been written in only to make the plot flow forward or meaningless fan service (balrog show off, why?).

Ep 6 was taking the show to the right track but Ep 7 was pretty bad. It's not that I don't value a story unless it's an attention grabbing action piece but this one was all over the place. I also get that they have to keep following the different story arcs but they once again managed to raise more questions than they answered (mind you, the teasers published by Amazon marketing team prior to ep7 let us believe there would be answers coming). Why did none of the main characters die other than Ontamo? What's up with Bronwyn and her being almost immortal? Why the fake death again? Is there going to be one per episode? They were all physically quite close together when the cloud hit so how did some of them suddenly end up very far from the rest? Wasn't Halbrand supposedly gravely injured in the tent? He needed "elvish medicine"... really? How was he then able to get on a horse, smile like he's in paradise and then supposedly ride who knows how many days over to the Elves? Sauron or not, very bad writing overall. And these are just a few examples.

I hoped for a better show.