U34 - Monster Play Feedback Thread

[DeadRydd]

I'm taking my money elsewhere if it stays like this.

And again, what he said 10xover.

[Canarne]

I main weaver. I tested Ongburz w/ offensive corrs and Shelob w/ defensive. I’m paper both ways, taking about 2% more damage on Shelob. Shelob gives about 62% more DoT damage. (Tested tainted kiss ticks on light armor dummy and getting whacked by a slug.) I haven’t yet test other blessings and builds, but considering Shelob is the only blessing w/ a major DoT focus I suspect this falls fast. Unfortunately, I “need” bulk. I need to be mid range to do anything. Before, I was still “squishy,” but I had time to react. Now I can go from full to dying before I can burrow.

Try healer focus. 4 HP + 4 Resist + 4 Anticrit.

[Daec]

I’m relatively new to pvmp. Got 4 creeps I bounce around between, ranks 4-6. Been fairly involved with the creep community at Crickhollow, which isn’t massive but every now and then has good action. Here’s my experience:

Map/march: I’m actually happy with most of this. The map cd shortens the gap between newer and older characters by making crude maps a lot more usable. Extremely happy Grams isn’t tied to the same cd. Though tying everything else to the same CD is a bit harsh. Perhaps a separate cd starting at poor or good? Or maybe split cd by location, preventing repeated travel to the same general area? March speed was much needed, and it’s understandable that freeps are somewhat faster due to lack of maps. Though War Leader move speed buff is now relatively nerfed. Perhaps this could be changed to freep mount speed?

Blessings: Far too polarizing. I can either do damage with paper defense or hit like a noodle and still have worse defense than before. I believe the direction you seem to be aiming for is good, allowing creeps more versatility in builds to mirror that of freeps. If new creeps can become competitive faster and end progression is horizontal rather than lateral, that would be ideal. As is, new creeps face the daunting task of being extremely weak with the less than motivating goal of still never catching up to the enemy. The blessings are too tilted. They also shouldn’t be visible to others and should be changeable without returning to Grams, either freely or through minstrel item.

Prospected future: As mentioned, I believe it’s good to give more flexibility. I know others have expressed no interest in non-PvP related creep content, but to me it sounds like a cool idea. However, f this is a massive grind for necessary competitive boosts, it’s going to be hell. At least don’t make this into another comm sink. Also, at the moment, blessings feel less flexible. This is partly due to the ability to have decent defense feeling non-existent.

I main weaver. I tested Ongburz w/ offensive corrs and Shelob w/ defensive. I’m paper both ways, taking about 2% more damage on Shelob. Shelob gives about 62% more DoT damage. (Tested tainted kiss ticks on light armor dummy and getting whacked by a slug.) I haven’t yet test other blessings and builds, but considering Shelob is the only blessing w/ a major DoT focus I suspect this falls fast. Unfortunately, I “need” bulk. I need to be mid range to do anything. Before, I was still “squishy,” but I had time to react. Now I can go from full to dying before I can burrow.

Overall, I can see the reason for the complaints. I do like some of the goals you’ve stated, but in the moment it seems like you’ve nerfed the side that really needed a buff. (Also, don’t know if this was changed, but 46 mil health outpost boss? Freeps only have to deal w/ 26 mil health? Did you flip freep and creep side outpost balancing? If this was an accident, it really seems to highlight the difference in capabilities between creep and freep.

For Spider I have found tarkrip blessing along with 2 health, 4 phys mit, 4 mastery, and 2 tact mit corruptions to work well in the limited time i've been able to play. Of course this all depends on playstyle as well since i mostly solo on mine.

[Canarne]

Nothing better than additional +10% HP. It seems for me. Because current spec bonuses for corruptions looks mockingly.
Compare.
CREEP: When you hit there is 5% chance to debuff enemy with +3% additional damage for 5 secs
FREEP: When you hit there is 5 chance to debuff enemy with 3% additional damage for 20 secs
It is a simple example, a details of it are deeper.
The Moors isnt our home (what it really is) it is a hunting yard. This is sad thruth and Orion supports it as we can see.

[Hilawolf]

Why is the Mastery boost only focused on DPS? Before you got an increase in healing as well. Same for Critical rating, focused on DPS, Crit heals are important for WL.

[ithinkiamserious]

Orion, I am very unhappy that I'm no longer able to build for a high mitigation tank build and max dps and healing at the same time, and then bring every creep on the map on top of the 12 freeps dumb enough to play in this scenario whenever I want to. Need this addressed asap.

This. It's what we hear over and over and over and over. Its 100% creep logic.

[upat12am]

In short - you've begun to realise what a disaster this update is.

Nobody asked for this, please reverse the update.

Up until yesterday PVP was more balanced than it had been in years. We are now at a point where this simply isn't sustainable, yet again. We needed tweaks, not sweeping changes.

Please listen to the players.

Again, I say this!!

[upat12am]

Instead of fixing the one main thing that needed fixing, the LAG, you waste time with this garbage nobody asked for and nobody wants (except the OP freeps). Lag was worse than ever yesterday evening. I’m really about done with this game after 15 years. The previous update finally got us out of the perpetual grams camp and the ONLY reason there have been GV camps the chicken sh*t freeps afraid to come out and have a real fight that does include them just mashing buttons and winning because they are OP.

I will ask again, Orion, where is the video you promised in the prev Q&A showing actually play a creep? Although ideally we would have seen this both before and this disastrous update.

If the voice of the customer means nothing here (or in Beta) then I guess you can expect to lose customers and the $’s they represent.

[Kate00]

could you PLEASE make summon horns not usable in combat?

why do all freep classes get to escape when creeps can't?

[SingularityNow]

From the discord post in Ghynverse it sounds like we'll be getting a hotfix. But we shouldn't be. We've spent a lot of time GV camping over the past couple years because defilers have been stupid; built like guardians, heal like RK's, move like seals on greased plastic wrap. More than any other class, we need them to have to make choices in build - sacrificing potent healing for survivability or vice versa. But your tears appear to be working and SSG is going to return us to the same ###### gameplay we've endured since Vastin.

[Kate00]

From the discord post in Ghynverse it sounds like we'll be getting a hotfix. But we shouldn't be. We've spent a lot of time GV camping over the past couple years because defilers have been stupid; built like guardians, heal like RK's, move like seals on greased plastic wrap. More than any other class, we need them to have to make choices in build - sacrificing potent healing for survivability or vice versa. But your tears appear to be working and SSG is going to return us to the same ###### gameplay we've endured since Vastin.

booo hooo

[SingularityNow]

booo hooo

I'm sure the irony will be lost on you.

[Neinda]

From the discord post in Ghynverse it sounds like we'll be getting a hotfix. But we shouldn't be. We've spent a lot of time GV camping over the past couple years because defilers have been stupid; built like guardians, heal like RK's, move like seals on greased plastic wrap. More than any other class, we need them to have to make choices in build - sacrificing potent healing for survivability or vice versa. But your tears appear to be working and SSG is going to return us to the same ###### gameplay we've endured since Vastin.

@Orion: Is this discord Ghynverse thing something new for where you and other devs are now posting updates? I am confused as to where to get information if this post is accurate. If it is true, would someone at SSG please post where we should sign up to get information concerning the game?

[SingularityNow]

@Orion: Is this discord Ghynverse thing something new for where you and other devs are now posting updates? I am confused as to where to get information if this post is accurate. If it is true, would someone at SSG please post where we should sign up to get information concerning the game?

OMG not this again. If you're playing an MMO in 2022 and don't know what Discord is, then start with Google, not SSG.

[auximenes]

@Orion: Is this discord Ghynverse thing something new for where you and other devs are now posting updates? I am confused as to where to get information if this post is accurate. If it is true, would someone at SSG please post where we should sign up to get information concerning the game?

/signed

All official information should be presented on the official forums even if it's not the location that information was first presented.

OMG not this again. If you're playing an MMO in 2022 and don't know what Discord is, then start with Google, not SSG.

Or you know, how about if SSG is releasing information on Discord that they have their own official Discord channel? Why be a jerk about it?

[SingularityNow]

Or you know, how about if SSG is releasing information on Discord that they have their own official Discord channel? Why be a jerk about it?

Not trying to be a jerk, my guy. Apologies. But these complaints are just going to keep them out of discord, not make them come to the forums more, not make them start their own discord.

[Neinda]

Not trying to be a jerk, my guy. Apologies. But these complaints are just going to keep them out of discord, not make them come to the forums more, not make them start their own discord.

No apologies necessary. Orion has said that the forums are where we get information. This is not the first time a dev has posted official information to discord rather than the forums. I have no issue using discord but SSG needs to tell the player base/customer base where to get updates and information. If discord, fine. Just tell us the link info. If the forums, fine. Post update information here. Nothing wrong with using both media but posting in discord and not the current official forums grows old and leaves many people frustrated.

[Daec]

No apologies necessary. Orion has said that the forums are where we get information. This is not the first time a dev has posted official information to discord rather than the forums. I have no issue using discord but SSG needs to tell the player base/customer base where to get updates and information. If discord, fine. Just tell us the link info. If the forums, fine. Post update information here. Nothing wrong with using both media but posting in discord and not the current official forums grows old and leaves many people frustrated.

The only thing "official" about the information is "we're going to do an update" which in fact was stated in this thread. There is no hard information only thoughts from the dev.

I fail to understand why people are frustrated, this discord is no secret and is completely open to anyone.

[Neinda]

The only thing "official" about the information is "we're going to do an update" which in fact was stated in this thread. There is no hard information only thoughts from the dev.

I fail to understand why people are frustrated, this discord is no secret and is completely open to anyone.

I have never seen SSG or anyone here post the login information for this discord anywhere on the forums. As far as I can tell based on comments is that it is a private player run discord not an official lotro site.

Where is the harm in posting here also? If the dev had time to post in discord then the dev should have had time to post in the official forum.

[Kate00]

I have never seen SSG or anyone here post the login information for this discord anywhere on the forums. As far as I can tell based on comments is that it is a private player run discord not an official lotro site.

Where is the harm in posting here also? If the dev had time to post in discord then the dev should have had time to post in the official forum.

^^^^THIS^^^^


Didnt Orion say the forums were the "official" means of communication? I read that somewhere I thought? Now we find out yet again its not?

[ithinkiamserious]

Didnt Orion say the forums were the "official" means of communication? I read that somewhere I thought? Now we find out yet again its not?

Don't you know the difference between "official" means of communication and "only" means of communication. SSG employees should be allowed to interact with players in discord or other platforms. You want to forbid that too because Orion didn't make your GV camp easier the moment you started complaining about the update?

[Neinda]

I guess this could be resolved if someone on the discord channel is willing to tell us exactly what is happening and when.

Why can't the blue names just tell everyone where they can obtain information? Silence on the forums and supposedly updates on a player run discord?

[Daec]

Ghyn discord link: https://discord.gg/tR5tdyfqjJ

Cord can feel free to delete if this is against the forum CoC, but i've seen discord links posted elsewhere go there you go.

[Neinda]

Ghyn discord link: https://discord.gg/tR5tdyfqjJ

Cord can feel free to delete if this is against the forum CoC, but i've seen discord links posted elsewhere go there you go.

Invalid invite error message Thank you for trying.

I wish the blue names understood how frustrating this type of situation is for many of us. We would like to know what is going on but the location of the information is not shared by the devs to the general public. It is disappointing to be treated in this manner.

[auximenes]

I have never seen SSG or anyone here post the login information for this discord anywhere on the forums. As far as I can tell based on comments is that it is a private player run discord not an official lotro site. Where is the harm in posting here also? If the dev had time to post in discord then the dev should have had time to post in the official forum.

I guess this could be resolved if someone on the discord channel is willing to tell us exactly what is happening and when. Why can't the blue names just tell everyone where they can obtain information? Silence on the forums and supposedly updates on a player run discord?

/signed

Don't you know the difference between "official" means of communication and "only" means of communication. SSG employees should be allowed to interact with players in discord or other platforms. You want to forbid that too because Orion didn't make your GV camp easier the moment you started complaining about the update?

I don't want them to restrict their communications I want those myriad communications represented here on the official forums also.