Where do we go from here?

[J-Moneyforever]

Questions to Orion:
1) do you have actual data on how op freeps currently are ?!
or do you just make things up ? if no pls post your findings, how much heal has each freep class in Hps
how much dps, ttk to kill it ect. you have the data

2) do you ever test the pvmp changes you make ?!

3) why can 3 creeps not kill a champion, mini, Beorning, Brawler, Bulgar, Champion, Guardian, Rune Keeper, Warden, Lore-Master?! only freep that currently dies to 3 creeps are Hunters.
Whats the resoning behind this ? are you porud of this ?

4) why is the Time to kill a creep so much lower for freeps?
why are there so many unbalanced classes in the etten for freeps ?

What is the point of all of this ?
why do you unbalance a pvp game? are you narcissist Orion? do you even play this game ?!
typical answer here is a quick "yes" , stream your monster play, play a shadow warg maybe and then play a burgler and compare the 2 ?
do you even know how to use skills without clicking them ?! we dont know sice you do not stream your expirence that makes you unbalance the creeps so bad.

and ofc we have mods that get offended by questions and delete posts, so nothing will change all fine
god beware the lotro pve crowd of microagressions, they are sooo fragile, like the mods.
guys dont clap it´s too loud use your hands to wink

i know the answer to all of this it is a narcissist no

Skill issue

[mithelenthor]

Well Talk is cheap.

Whatever anyone says, you cannot argue because they will say they are the opposite. Complain at someones clear comment to make freeps look weak and they will say they play mostly Creep and vice versa.

I have absolutely zero trust in anyone on these forums because they all are looking out for number one.

This is also the case for the devs. They don't want what we want. They want the least effort path to gain the most revenue. At least we know where we stand with the developers but everyone else is to be judged poorly.

I'm guessing the last unbiased opinion I read on these boards is anything to do with clubbing. If you make an argument you are a cheat and if you argue against then you make a good point.

Everything else is one sided horse droppings.

[Constrictions]

As we draw nearer to releasing these updates we will share what they mean for the Ettenmoors and players out there.

With the reversion in EC and OC, is the hope that the old shuffle route from GV to gramsfoot via TR, EC, STAB, TA, WTAB, OC, Lugz will return?

For years everyone (including me) was complaining about this shuffle, but I think the complaint was more that this was the only kind of play being naturally incentivized. OPs etc didn't seem to work that well at incentivizing people away. I notice that the bridge flags have been taken down, which I guess means that TA's keep owners will be the owner of the bridges? It's not clear to me whether lugz rez is now back to where it used to be, where EC has just been moved from. I hope it is!

Since the first camp movement, new rez location at lugz etc, my view changed to think about this classic shuffle more positively. The moors seemed to become worse after that shuffle was interupted with the map changes, although we saw more action towards Isen. It's a tough issue to try and resolve.

Also, that Arena in the western side of the map between DG and HH - could it be possible to enact some mechanics there, or perhaps some sort of NPC challenge available to both sides? I had a thought it'd be cool to see a yellow morale bar Sarah Oakheart or something just standing there, that can be attacked/interacted with by both creeps and freeps, which then starts an encounter that people inside the arena must survive.

There's also a lot of dead space up the hill where the trolls roam, just to the southwest of DG.

[ScoobySnackz]

With the reversion in EC and OC, is the hope that the old shuffle route from GV to gramsfoot via TR, EC, STAB, TA, WTAB, OC, Lugz will return?

For years everyone (including me) was complaining about this shuffle, but I think the complaint was more that this was the only kind of play being naturally incentivized. OPs etc didn't seem to work that well at incentivizing people away. I notice that the bridge flags have been taken down, which I guess means that TA's keep owners will be the owner of the bridges? It's not clear to me whether lugz rez is now back to where it used to be, where EC has just been moved from. I hope it is!

Since the first camp movement, new rez location at lugz etc, my view changed to think about this classic shuffle more positively. The moors seemed to become worse after that shuffle was interupted with the map changes, although we saw more action towards Isen. It's a tough issue to try and resolve.

Also, that Arena in the western side of the map between DG and HH - could it be possible to enact some mechanics there, or perhaps some sort of NPC challenge available to both sides? I had a thought it'd be cool to see a yellow morale bar Sarah Oakheart or something just standing there, that can be attacked/interacted with by both creeps and freeps, which then starts an encounter that people inside the arena must survive.

There's also a lot of dead space up the hill where the trolls roam, just to the southwest of DG.

I'd rather see the map cut down in size than have more PVE.

[Constrictions]

I'd rather see the map cut down in size than have more PVE.

I don't see how that makes any sense. It's just a novelty idea anyway. It's good space on a decent map; would be nice to have a meaningful use for it.

[Neinda]

I don't see how that makes any sense. It's just a novelty idea anyway. It's good space on a decent map; would be nice to have a meaningful use for it.

Now that creeps walk everywhere, a smaller map would lead to more random encounters. More random encounters would mean more actual PVP and less PVE.

[subadar]

the only reason in my mind that they are adding more pve for creeps/freeps is that the pvmp is lacking.

the only reason i play pvmp is to escape the pve grind.

despite their best efforts, its still mostly a shuffle. changing game mechanics is easy, changing players attitudes after years of ingrained behavior? not so easy.

[Mattgoofi]

This has probably been mentioned dozens if not 100s of times. Why is there a boot now above my head when I am in March? It's the most ridiculous thing ever, next to the bar above our heads telling others what we are about to use as a skill. How dumbed down is this game going to get?! First we tell the freeps or, vice versa, what skills we are using, kinda like Japan saying, "Hey, we're about to bomb Pearl Harbor, you have 24 hours to get ready." Or, the Allies telling the Axis powers about D Day in advance. WHO DOES THIS? And if you can't remember, by now, that you're in march...if there has to be a marker, make it so only the player using it can see it, put it in options.

[DSBoomer]

This has probably been mentioned dozens if not 100s of times. Why is there a boot now above my head when I am in March? It's the most ridiculous thing ever, next to the bar above our heads telling others what we are about to use as a skill. How dumbed down is this game going to get?! First we tell the freeps or, vice versa, what skills we are using, kinda like Japan saying, "Hey, we're about to bomb Pearl Harbor, you have 24 hours to get ready." Or, the Allies telling the Axis powers about D Day in advance. WHO DOES THIS? And if you can't remember, by now, that you're in march...if there has to be a marker, make it so only the player using it can see it, put it in options.

A lot of people were asking for some sort of indication that March was on. I guess that's what they came up with. I agree there was probably a less annoying and distracting way of doing it but there's no missing it. I imagine freeps can see the March icon as well?

For the rest of the update, need more time but my weaver seems much more relevant than it has in a while. The attack speed is much better, Thank you!

[Mattgoofi]

A lot of people were asking for some sort of indication that March was on. I guess that's what they came up with. I agree there was probably a less annoying and distracting way of doing it but there's no missing it. I imagine freeps can see the March icon as well?

Yes, the freeps can see it. Don't care about that, they know we're in run speed if we're out running around The Moors, who wants to move around slow lol. It's just the dumbing down of the game is getting old. And the promises to Creeps unkept. Now, there's a rumor that Orion says they're going to nerf Creep DPS. I was hitting mobs really hard, but freeps, with only 15 aud max atm, I couldn't hit that hard at all, like 600k, on mobs, 66k on freeps. Not one freep should come out and win right now with 15 aud, but they are. A lot are losing too, yes. But again, as for the icon, we know we're in march, not one creep I know likes it and thinks it's a joke. SSG hears what they wanna hear, whatever.

[Nouri]

Suggestions? Yes, hire devs who acually play on live servers where they are making updates. I mean really, it's like devs making changes to flight instructions where their only experience with such things were in other flight instruction manuals. Want to try to fly and land a plane using a manual or test script?!?! Good luck with that.

[Neinda]

Yes, the freeps can see it. Don't care about that, they know we're in run speed if we're out running around The Moors, who wants to move around slow lol. It's just the dumbing down of the game is getting old. And the promises to Creeps unkept. Now, there's a rumor that Orion says they're going to nerf Creep DPS. I was hitting mobs really hard, but freeps, with only 15 aud max atm, I couldn't hit that hard at all, like 600k, on mobs, 66k on freeps. Not one freep should come out and win right now with 15 aud, but they are. A lot are losing too, yes. But again, as for the icon, we know we're in march, not one creep I know likes it and thinks it's a joke. SSG hears what they wanna hear, whatever.

I suspect this was a case of be careful what you wish for. People wanted something and were rather vocal in expressing their opinions and the devs gave them what they wished for. If someone told me the devs laughed the entire time when they came up with this idea I would not be surprised. It is so creative and a funny response. Personally, I would have preferred a horse icon over creeps' heads. Maybe a hobby horse since the march skill is supposed to be equivalent to freep mounts? It would look like all the creeps were running around the Moors on cute little ponies.

Well done SSG. At least we have some humor in the Moors for a change of pace.

[Vilan]

Yes, the freeps can see it. Don't care about that, they know we're in run speed if we're out running around The Moors, who wants to move around slow lol. It's just the dumbing down of the game is getting old. And the promises to Creeps unkept. Now, there's a rumor that Orion says they're going to nerf Creep DPS. I was hitting mobs really hard, but freeps, with only 15 aud max atm, I couldn't hit that hard at all, like 600k, on mobs, 66k on freeps. Not one freep should come out and win right now with 15 aud, but they are. A lot are losing too, yes. But again, as for the icon, we know we're in march, not one creep I know likes it and thinks it's a joke. SSG hears what they wanna hear, whatever.

Any audacity between 1-15 makes freeps deal less damage and take more damage. Moors cloaks give +1 aud now, that gets you to 16 and flips the switch to the opposite, suddenly you deal way more and take way less. So you're basically forced to wear full Moors gear.

[Ames]

Yes, the freeps can see it. Don't care about that, they know we're in run speed if we're out running around The Moors, who wants to move around slow lol. It's just the dumbing down of the game is getting old. And the promises to Creeps unkept. Now, there's a rumor that Orion says they're going to nerf Creep DPS. I was hitting mobs really hard, but freeps, with only 15 aud max atm, I couldn't hit that hard at all, like 600k, on mobs, 66k on freeps. Not one freep should come out and win right now with 15 aud, but they are. A lot are losing too, yes. But again, as for the icon, we know we're in march, not one creep I know likes it and thinks it's a joke. SSG hears what they wanna hear, whatever.

I’m reserving judgment until I’ve had more time to play and get fully geared (still in mostly purples but full audacity and decent amount of mits for what I have) but a defi hit me for 400k yesterday.

I also had smouldering wrath hitting 200k ticks on a warg who I’m guessing had little to no aud.

[SSG_Orion]

Yes, the freeps can see it. Don't care about that, they know we're in run speed if we're out running around The Moors, who wants to move around slow lol. It's just the dumbing down of the game is getting old. And the promises to Creeps unkept. Now, there's a rumor that Orion says they're going to nerf Creep DPS. I was hitting mobs really hard, but freeps, with only 15 aud max atm, I couldn't hit that hard at all, like 600k, on mobs, 66k on freeps. Not one freep should come out and win right now with 15 aud, but they are. A lot are losing too, yes. But again, as for the icon, we know we're in march, not one creep I know likes it and thinks it's a joke. SSG hears what they wanna hear, whatever.

There's a rumor that we're going to be nerfing Creep damage? Where did you hear that? There is a known issue, currently, that affects damage in the Ettenmoors and that will be fixed.

As for the visual effect that appears over your head while in march. That is a direct response to feedback here, where some players wanted to have a more visible way to see that they were in the march state, as it does block out access to skills.

[Neinda]

There's a rumor that we're going to be nerfing Creep damage? Where did you hear that? There is a known issue, currently, that affects damage in the Ettenmoors and that will be fixed.

As for the visual effect that appears over your head while in march. That is a direct response to feedback here, where some players wanted to have a more visible way to see that they were in the march state, as it does block out access to skills.

It is probably not what was intended (or maybe it was) but a big old boot following creeps around in the Moors brought a smile to my face. As I stated earlier this is about getting what we wish for lol. Thank you for the smile.

P.S. Maybe allow people to customize the symbol over their heads, sort of like people choosing their horse? It could be a whole new collection system in game. Creep side cosmetics.

[Saruman_Of_Numbers]

There's a rumor that we're going to be nerfing Creep damage? Where did you hear that? There is a known issue, currently, that affects damage in the Ettenmoors and that will be fixed.

Some dude been in OOC for days spamming that and then linking to a discord-hosted image. Use your imagination to figure out what it links to.




since people are increasingly leaving / avoiding the discord you frequently post in, its become increasingly easily for these rumors to take hold.

As for the visual effect that appears over your head while in march. That is a direct response to feedback here, where some players wanted to have a more visible way to see that they were in the march state, as it does block out access to skills.

The main problem with the march boot is that it is.... I kid you not.... the absolute ugliest thing any mortal mind could have conceived.... its got to be the ugliest most cartoony boot icon ever drawn and everyone hates it soooooo much. It now takes the #1 spot for ugliest icon in the game, beating out the new warg sprint icon which looks like a flying piece of poo.

I'm sure this kind of style is all the rage amongst 12 year olds in fortnite bloons tower defense 3, but it doesn't fit into LOTRO, which (at least at one point) was supposed to be a bit more dignified and visually calm.

[SSG_Orion]

Some dude been in OOC for days spamming that and then linking to a discord-hosted image.

It's a very silly rumor.

We need to address the known issue. Nothing more.

[LabadalofDorlomin]

since people are increasingly leaving / avoiding the discord you frequently post in, its become increasingly easily for these rumors to take hold.

It's a very silly rumor.

We need to address the known issue. Nothing more.

This is one of the reasons whereby multiple repositories should not be used to disseminate information and or seek feedback. Pick one (forum is my personal choice) and stop posting in the others. It really makes conversations disjointed and nonsensical unless you follow all the sites that the information is being dropped from.

Also, it is far easier to be wrongly quoted out of context once you're quoting from different sources.

I can understand the CM dropping statements into different sites but not conversations.


Why hasn't the executive producer jumped all over this by now? It has been an issue for some years now prior to "Orion's return". (ooh a new mini expansion name ?? )

[SSG_Orion]

This is one of the reasons whereby multiple repositories should not be used to disseminate information and or seek feedback. Pick one (forum is my personal choice) and stop posting in the others. It really makes conversations disjointed and nonsensical unless you follow all the sites that the information is being dropped from.

Forums, communications from SSG, and sometimes streams - are the only official source of information.

Forums are not, should not, and have not ever been, the sole location for getting feedback. Forum posters do not represent the community as a whole. Multiple sources are used to gauge feedback and always have been.

[istvana]

Over the years I have often objected when important information was released on "social media" and not on these forums. I argued, and still do, that people should be able to come here and find out what is going on without needing to also go to facebook or discord or any other "platform du jour".

But I have never said and still do not think that communications there as well as here is bad. It is important to reach out to customers and potential customers most of whom (nearly all of whom in the case of potential customers) are not forum junkies as some of us are.

It is entirely sufficient if any important information released on other platforms is repeated here so that the forums remain a place where we all can go to know what is going on. The speed with which information should go here depends on the importance. And, certainly, things the developers and others may happen to mention e.g. on Discord need not be repeated here unless they are important to the general community - I am not thinking of things that a handful of people will consider critical.

[auximenes]

Forums, communications from SSG, and sometimes streams - are the only official source of information. Forums are not, should not, and have not ever been, the sole location for getting feedback. Forum posters do not represent the community as a whole. Multiple sources are used to gauge feedback and always have been.

Thanks for responding.

The problem is though, when there is discussion on non-official platforms (eg. Discord) then you have 'official communications' that aren't being relayed to the official platforms. A prime example would be OMM's engagement on Discord during the Captain revamp. The Captain changes thread here died and yet we discovered that OMM was still active over on Discord. That's not the proper way to treat your customers and it's counter-productive to your purported desire to enhance communications with the players.

As I and many others have said we don't mind SSG employees engaging with players on non-official platforms, the problem is when those communications don't also then get relayed to an official platform.

[SSG_Orion]

Thanks for responding.

The problem is though, when there is discussion on non-official platforms (eg. Discord) then you have 'official communications' that aren't being relayed to the official platforms. A prime example would be OMM's engagement on Discord during the Captain revamp. The Captain changes thread here died and yet we discovered that OMM was still active over on Discord. That's not the proper way to treat your customers and it's counter-productive to your purported desire to enhance communcations with the players.

As I and many others have said we don't mind SSG employees engaging with players on non-official platforms, the problem is when those communications don't also then get relayed to an official platform.

This is not the thread for this discussion. I prefer not close this thread, but I will have to if we devolve.

[Laerthan1997]

This is not the thread for this discussion. I prefer not close this thread, but I will have to if we devolve.

And what thread would be for that discussion ? You should "thread" carefully here.

[CreepNeedBuff]

Make use any skill auto cancel march,it is Inconvenient that you have to click march to cancel it before fight.
Make use any skill auto cancel march,it is Inconvenient that you have to click march to cancel it before fight
Make use any skill auto cancel march,it is Inconvenient that you have to click march to cancel it before fight