NDA Drop Discussion

[Zero_Out]

1. Will our Rift gear be useful?

2. Can they be broken down for legendary item runes, or something?

2a. If not, at what point will I likely be replacing my Rift gear?

3. How long do the new instances take to complete? How many hours, and how long compared to CD?

[gildhur]

Did they change ICPR or the way it is shown? There's a picture of a legendary
weapon in this thread with +84 ICPR, which is utterly ridiculous. Is it now stated
as per minute? That would translate to a far more reasonable 1.4 as shown in the
live game.

You're right. It's now shown per minute instead of per second. So 1 ICPR = 60 ICPR, 3 ICPR = 180 ICPR, etc. Same for ICMR.

[Cleitanious]

1. Will our Rift gear be useful?

2. Can they be broken down for legendary item runes, or something?

2a. If not, at what point will I likely be replacing my Rift gear?

3. How long do the new instances take to complete? How many hours, and how long compared to CD?

1. It will be useful as very high end level 50 gear.

2. No... you vendor it, like evrything else when you dont need it anymore or save it for cosmetic purposes.

3. You will be replacing it almost right away depending on what stats you are looking for.

[Gumble]

Did they change ICPR or the way it is shown? There's a picture of a legendary
weapon in this thread with +84 ICPR, which is utterly ridiculous. Is it now stated
as per minute? That would translate to a far more reasonable 1.4 as shown in the
live game.

Yes, Morale and Power regen are now given in terms of regen per minute, so +90 ICPR (in moria) = 1.5 ICPR (currently)

Edit: woot! My first ninja-reply! =)

[CharontheHand]

Did they change ICPR or the way it is shown? There's a picture of a legendary
weapon in this thread with +84 ICPR, which is utterly ridiculous. Is it now stated
as per minute? That would translate to a far more reasonable 1.4 as shown in the
live game.

[gildhur]

So increase in HP and damage creepside? Interesting.

No, not what I meant. Creep HP is down from where it is at 50 with maxed traits. It's just up from where it started in very early beta (ie, 2800 for unranked Defiler ).

I didn't play Beta so couldn't be doing anything, really. Just making the assumption based on our current skillset and relative need for Evade/Crit chance.

My Champ's crit % was down about 6% as soon as he transferred, but I didn't notice a significantly lower amount of big numbers floating over my targets.

Even with the chance to Mob AI/HP/Damage, a tank still isn't needed when a competent Champ is present?

No, but that's been the case for a year now.

[CharontheHand]

Edit: woot! My first ninja-reply! =)

Wow, this seems to be getting worse, I had TWO people reply to my question before I asked it.
But I think I know why now: I did a couple minor grammar edits; I bet that changes the
timestamp and shuffles the posts into a new order.

[Seton]

Class Items.... for Minstrels..

-Legendary Class Items are as follows
--Badges for Captains
--Buglar's Tools for Burglars
--Belts for Guardians
--Bows/Crossbows for Hunters
--Books for Lore-Masters
--Instruments for Minstrels
--Runes for Champions

No, there are no legendary instruments for minstrels. The class item is a song book

[aethelberht]

Burgs still rule

QFT!

My beta burglar is constantly tackling higher-level mobs, and still blowing them away. The crits are coming as strong as ever. And that's without any change to my live trait build. At level 50 I can take down a 5700 HP lvl 51 sig without breaking a sweat (though I do usually use a Mischievous Glee and burn a Touch-and-Go just to make sure my morale stays above half). And I -love- my legendary dagger's long-distance riddling ability. Now I have -way- more time to catch and mez some cowardly Dunlending before he can run back to his friends.

Good stuff all the way around.

[Zero_Out]

Let's assume for the moment that level 50 armour is tiered like this:

T1: crafted (just buy it on the AH)
T2: Annuminas/Angmar set (fellowship instances)
T3: Helegrod (raid / marks)
T4: Rift (hard raid)

What is the new armour tier breakdown at level 60? Where do you get them?

[CaidBaraka]

We know there are 8 slots for class traits now. Did the virtue and race slots expand to 8 as well?

Are hunter ports still quickslot icons or have they given us a drop down menu yet?

What ores are used in the T6 crafting/where are they found?

Are hobbits still a tasty yet high calorie snack for wargies?

[aregowe]

Guardian

* Catch a Breath now resets in 45 seconds instead of 60
* Catch a Breath now heals additional morale
* Catch a Breath now heals less power in its traited form
* Catch a Breath's Power Heal is now influenced by the Trait Set modifier
* Take to Heart now transfers more power

* The Quest Bag! – Most quest items in your inventory are now stored directly in your quest journal, freeing up space.
* The Key Ring! – Right click your existing keys to add them to a keyring.


Rift stats in (), Moria 60 sets are outside of the ().

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Hunter

Might 182 (70)
Agility 201 (143)
Vitality 181 (120)
Will 0 (69)
Fate 120 (53)
Morale 366 (22)
Power 223 (270)

51.1 icpr
185.4 oocmr

intent concentration and needful haste cd reduced by 30s
----------------------------

Loremaster

Might 0 (16)
Agility 0 (76)
Vitality 200 (99)
Will 201 (114)
Fate 141 (76)
Morale 271 (180)
Power 577 (270)

256 tact crit rating
9% tact crit dmg
42.6 icmr
185.4 oocmr

10% greater dmg to fire skills
----------------------------

Minstrel

Might 0 ()
Agility 0 (39)
Vitality 181 (121)
Will 182 (106)
Fate 149 (106)
Morale 254 (90)
Power 577 (292)

256 tact crit rating
9% tact crit dmg
42.6 icmr
185.4 oocmr

Soliloquy of spirit power cost reduced by 20%
----------------------------

Champ

Might 182 (136)
Agility 201 (99)
Vitality 200 (106)
Will 60 (62)
Fate 20 (8)
Morale 380 (90)
Power 255 (270)

1% inc healing
185.4 oocmr

Great cleave duration increased
----------------------------

Capt

Might 201 (84)
Agility 168 (91)
Vitality 181 (121)
Will 182 (61)
Fate 80 (69)
Morale 0 (90)
Power 200 (90)

valiant strike returns 20% greater morale

----------------------------

Guard

Might 182 (121)
Agility 201 (69)
Vitality 181 (77)
Will 20 (98)
Fate 60 (16)
Morale 380 (180)
Power 328 (180)

3% inc healing

Guards pledge cooldown time reduced
----------------------------

Burglar

Might 182 (84)
Agility 182 (150)
Vitality 200 (75)
Will 79 (77)
Fate 80 (32)
Morale 380 (180)
Power 0 (180)

+768 fear resist
+39 icmr

Exploit opening cooldown reduced by 30s


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Warden Rift set:

Spear: 44-60 beleriand damage 1.7 speed (27.5 dps) 15 might, 15 fate, 90 max morale, small dot, demoralise.

Shield: 523 av, 15 fate, 15 agility, 6 vitality, 15 might, 54 max power.

Helm: 218 av, 15 agility, 30 vitality, 15 fate, 636 fear resist, +1% incoming heals.

Shoulders: 218 av, 30 might, 8 agility, 8 vitality, 30 fate, 424 wound resist.

Chest: 727 av, 30 might, 8 agility, 30 vitality, 8 fate, 636 wound resist.

Legs: 606 av, 15 might, 30 agility, 15 vitality, 30 will.

Boots: 291 av, 8 might, 30 agility, 15 vitality, 8 will, 15 fate, 45 max power.

Gloves: 363 av, 30 might, 30 agility, 15 fate, +1% incoming heals. On use: disperse shadow.

Set Bonuses:
(2): 3% disperse shadow chance
(2): +15 fate
(4): 10% disperse shadow chance
(4): -50% Resolution power cost
(6): 25% disperse shadow chance
(6): Mighty blow cannot be parried.






Thought I'd go ahead and post about what everyone will be looking for in the end of Moria: The big "end game" gear.

[Lohi]

Each of the 6 'end-game' instances have hard modes.

Ugh... Really? Is this WoW-style normal versus heroic-mode? Will it be required to run hard mode for certain things, such as rare drops, traits, unlocking other instances? If people just want a tougher challenge than this game provides, then why not do the instance with fewer players?

[LordOfTheDance]

Is it just me or does the icon attached to this thread on the main forum page(the same as marketroid's icon) make you think of a cylon?

ZOMG the Witch King is the 12th!!!

Pff I knew that like half way through season 3. It obviously makes the most sense.

I need more sleep but seriously. I laughed really hard at this.

[Sapience]

Is it just me or does the icon attached to this thread on the main forum page(the same as marketroid's icon) make you think of a cylon?

ZOMG the Witch King is the 12th!!!

And he has a plan.......

[aregowe]

Ugh... Really? Is this WoW-style normal versus heroic-mode? Will it be required to run hard mode for certain things, such as rare drops, traits, unlocking other instances? If people just want a tougher challenge than this game provides, then why not do the instance with fewer players?

They're like optional objectives during the instance. Like, for instance, defeat a boss in X amount of time. Or defeat a boss without killing any of his adds.

Things like that contribute to a "hard mode". You don't actually go into the instance and select "easy mode / hard mode". It's just you go in and you do it or you don't.

In my opinion, most groups will probably go in and do it regularly and then find out what the "hard mode" is after the locks are up. Heck, some may even accidentally complete a "hard mode" objective.

[chuckbizzle40]

Shield: 523 av, 15 fate, 15 agility, 6 vitality, 15 might, 54 max power.

Helm: 218 av, 15 agility, 30 vitality, 15 fate, 636 fear resist, +1% incoming heals.

Shoulders: 218 av, 30 might, 8 agility, 8 vitality, 30 fate, 424 wound resist.

Chest: 727 av, 30 might, 8 agility, 30 vitality, 8 fate, 636 wound resist.

Legs: 606 av, 15 might, 30 agility, 15 vitality, 30 will.

Boots: 291 av, 8 might, 30 agility, 15 vitality, 8 will, 15 fate, 45 max power.

Gloves: 363 av, 30 might, 30 agility, 15 fate, +1% incoming heals. On use: disperse shadow.

Those armour values can't be correct unless they changed the armour ratings up as well. That would be some amazing medium armour.

[aregowe]

Those armour values can't be correct unless they changed the armour ratings up as well. That would be some amazing medium armour.

Correct. All armor ratings, etc. are much higher than on live. It's an odd system that will take some getting used to. Having 5k+ armor is much less than live.

For instance, this character sheet screen from yesterday:
http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o...hot00019-1.jpg

Basically, the big numbers you see are "points", and I assume X amount of points = 1%. Haven't taken the time to mathematically figure it out;I also assume it scales as you level and as you gain points in something.

[swisskdl]

We know there are 8 slots for class traits now. Did the virtue and race slots expand to 8 as well?

Are hunter ports still quickslot icons or have they given us a drop down menu yet?

What ores are used in the T6 crafting/where are they found?

Are hobbits still a tasty yet high calorie snack for wargies?

1. Sorry don't remember and am at work so can't check.
2. Same
3. T6 has all new gathering mats, you get them starting in Eregion and of course Moria.
4. Hobbits > wargs

[BIGeyedBUG]

They're like optional objectives during the instance. Like, for instance, defeat a boss in X amount of time. Or defeat a boss without killing any of his adds.

Things like that contribute to a "hard mode". You don't actually go into the instance and select "easy mode / hard mode". It's just you go in and you do it or you don't.

In my opinion, most groups will probably go in and do it regularly and then find out what the "hard mode" is after the locks are up. Heck, some may even accidentally complete a "hard mode" objective.

That is double-plus cool. Are these deeded or logged in some other way?

[Onlywar]

are the books mostly solo?

[gildhur]

That is double-plus cool. Are these deeded or logged in some other way?

They're not logged on your char at all that I know of. You have to figure them out yourself, and the instance I guess has monitors that adjust loot based on how you did the instance.

[Cerridwen]

Eregion, Eregion, Eregion.

For everybody who wants to charge straight through into Moria, do give at least a little thought to Eregion. It's got some great scenery, some amazing "book moments," and some excellent storylines that make you feel like you're really helping the Fellowship along. And that they need all the help they can get!

At least do yourself the favor of taking the road up into Caradhras and petting a goat or two on the way!

For everybody who wants to know what the next new Hobby will be...

Hunters especially will need to do some stuff in Eregion if they want that port to Echad Dunann. My advice for everyone is to do Book 1 because there is something that has to be done before you can go into Moria and while you are doing this something you can quest in Eregion for a bit.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by CaidBaraka
We know there are 8 slots for class traits now. Did the virtue and race slots expand to 8 as well?

Are hunter ports still quickslot icons or have they given us a drop down menu yet?

What ores are used in the T6 crafting/where are they found?

Are hobbits still a tasty yet high calorie snack for wargies?

1. Sorry don't remember and am at work so can't check.
2. Same
3. T6 has all new gathering mats, you get them starting in Eregion and of course Moria.
4. Hobbits > wargs

1. No, but Legendary now has 3 slots.

[Delaney]

So burglars, please do not look at your stat sheets first and start crying that the sky fell down. Play first, you will be perfectly fine.

Burgs still rule

Ooookay. I'm willing to take the advice, but please tell me what I'm going to be seeing in my stat sheet to inspire despair?