Raid Progression - Throne of the Dread Terror

[spikethe3rd]

I have 102k mastery with 26k hp. I don't think that bird take more incoming damage, but we have something close to 100% of time with full debuffs. Of course, we try to coordinate.

Those stats before buffs that I mentioned? Wouldn't you be closer to 30k than the 27k morale shown if you had 26k unbuffed?

With the buffs you have available, captain and yellow mini with the 6 anthem of war bug, I'm over 130k mastery and 30k morale from my 25-26k unbuffed. Will check when I'm at the computer.

[Naranor]

Those stats before buffs that I mentioned? Wouldn't you be closer to 30k than the 27k morale shown if you had 26k unbuffed?

With nothing. 26k unbuffed can be used at most part situation. But at any boss i something change. For example at mumakils 34k unbuffed is normal, at third boss - 20k. At 6th now i pref 20k first stage, 28 second, 20 for mobs, 26 third, 20for mobs, 20 for gothmog(all unbuffed and ~).

[Nexcris]

Still waiting for a second kin to finish all bosses with 6 people before we publish it.

[DisplTru]

Still waiting for a second kin to finish all bosses with 6 people before we publish it.

Fat kids are easy to kite. Too bad you're one of them.

[godzwrath]

Hello everyone!

I am recieving a lot of PMs lately and I apologize for not responding to everyone individually. I really did not want to discuss anything related to exploiting or removing kinships from this list publicly, but since there seem to be many different opinions on certain kinships, a clear and public communication may be the best solution.

First of all, I would like to explain my personal understanding of what counts as "severe exploit" and what doesn't:
In my opinion, there is a thin line and a lot of gray area between making clever use of unintended mechanics and a real exploit.

Let me give you some examples of what I consider "making clever use of probably unintended mechanics" and I think there is no reason to blame anyone for doing it:

• Using your cooldowns (for example Captain's "To Arms") pre combat and and using them again after they resetted when starting a bossfight.
• Switching your LIs or Armour in-combat. Note that switching armour is not possible any more but was commonly done pre HD expansion.
• Using old clickable armour or jewellary to gain some buffs pre-combat and then switch back to some items with better stats (e.g. Rift armour with 25% shadow damage avoidance).
• Interrupting skill animation with immediate skills to accelerate your skill rotation (if everything is done manually without the use of third party software).
• Re-summoning your Loremaster's pet to have no cooldown on their skills.
• ...

Then there are some "borderline exploits" which are clearly unintended but they are widely used and give you a comparably small boost. I feel switching trait trees pre-combat falls into this category. And while I am not happy to see this happening, I still don't think it justifies permanently removing a kinship from this list.

And then there are "heavy exploits" such as:

• Client hacks.
• Use of third party software messing with your skills.
• Using Inspired Greatness in raid instances.
• Stat exploits such as the Warsteed bug from some time ago.
• Exploiting enemy mobs so that they can't attack you any more. For example via heal aggro or Beorning taunts from outside the boss room.
• Using terrain exploits / glitch jumps to reach positions where you shouldn't be.
• Basically everything that allows your group to avoid the main indented mechanics of a fight, making the fight significantly easier.
• ...

If someone finds evidence that a certain kinship used "heavy exploits" to get a kill then I will certainly act accordingly.




I am recieving a lot of PMs regarding two things:

First, in Portal's Gothmog T2C kill video, we can see that there are 5 Minstrel Anthems active and some people suspect them of using an exploit. I personally don't play a Minstrel but I know that there should be no more than 3 Anthems active at the same time. Switching trait trees pre combat allow you to get a maximum of 4 Anthems but I do not know how 5+ Anthems are possible. I would like to see a statement of Portal explaining to us: 1.) how it is possible to get 5+ Anthems at the same time without exploiting and 2.) if it is a "borderline exploit", do you think it influenced your abilty to get the Gothmog T2C kill in a significant way? Why / why not?
I am also seeing your DPS classes are not affected by the "bird knockback", however I do not think it counts as severe exploit, so you do not need to comment on that.

Second, Eru Echor kinship made a public statement (both in English and in German) on their website: http://eruechor.ml/
So it seems like they got their first legit kill on Gothmog (without help from a GM) on 30 August which would mean they would be on rank 5 instead of rank 4. So I'm kind of torn between changing their kill date to 30 August and not changing it.
At the moment I am more on the side of not changing it because of two reasons: 1.) the fact that Turbine did not revoke their titles indicates that they did not "scam" a GM but simply had help to get past a bugged door. Also they did not skip any phases of the fight and the GM granted them the deed after monitoring them during the rest of the fight. 2.) I think it is VERY likely that they would have been able the beat it during the same lock cycle (they had raid locks after 20th August), so they would still be on rank 4 on the list nevertheless.



Please everyone keep civil and don't be hostile or disrespectful towards any other players or kinships!

Ok. I'll address Eru Echor first. "Their first legit kill on Gothmog(without help from a GM) was on August 30". I'm pretty sure you just answered your own dilemma. The key words of yours being: First, legit, without, help, and GM. I request that they be changed to August 30th based on their FIRST LEGIT KILL WITHOUT GM HELP

2 Anthems Yellow Spec (without Harmonius Anthems passive)
3 Anthems Yellow Spec (Harmonius Anthems)

As different tree-setup anthems stack you can do this once before the combat (for the first ~40s or so). But you can only keep 3 during the combat.



On our first Gothmog kill we had almost 2 minutes left (some people were not able to switch lines before the 3rd stage cause of in-combat bug, so we lost one more minute there to re-log). On our Original Challenger kill we lost ~2 minutes due to this bug.
If trait switching before the first stage(the only stage with 5 anthems) counts as an "borderline exploit" i don't think that we won more than 20 second there.

Your bird kill was roughly 30s wasn't it? So you had 6+ anthems for the entirety of your fight. You didn't just use it for the first part of the bird, you consciously used anthems to speed up the whole thing and beat it nearly a minute on average faster than EVERY other video than yours.

Good luck with convincing Turbine that mechanics they consciously introduced years ago are exploits

If turbine wanted you to stack more than 3 anthems, I think yellow would let you stack more than 3, fool.

That's actually a valid point. I might reconsider my decision.

And what are your thoughts now?

I'd imagine you'd need to put this "anthem exploit" in the same category as RK's popping concession and rebuttal before entering combat. In which case the vast majority of kins appear to do this right before engaging Rakothas so 80% of the names up there would likely need to be removed.

An exploit is still an exploit regardless of how many people use it.

You are referring to the knockback aren't you?

1.) It's a knockback. Can a knockback be avoided if standing with your back to a wall? Yes. Is standing with your back to a wall (even if it's an invisible wall) exploiting? No. And even if it only works in this specific "magic spot", it's not like they did some jumps or glitches to reach a position where they shouldn't be. After they were ported, they made a few steps back to find a position which they thought is most suitable for them.

2.) It may be unintented but I do not consider it a severe exploit as it does not significantly lower the fight's overall difficulty. As I already explained, there is often a thin line between making use of unintented mechanics and real exploiting. Everyone who already beat Gothmog T2C will probably agree that it is actually one of the easier bosses in Throne and if everything goes smoothly the fight can easily be done in less than 18 minutes. As you can see later in their video, they lost ~1.5 minutes because some of their players had to relog before the Carn Dum phase in order to change trait lines. Being infight throughout the whole fight is obviously not intented either, so in the end they still would have been fast enough.

3.) And this is my most important argument: I never asked for video proof on Gothmog and their video is not showing their first kill but their "Original Challenger" run one week later. They did not post this video to claim a kill and the ranking on the first page does not include the Challenger title. There is nothing suspicious in the screenshot of their first kill. The fact that they posted a video alone means that they do not intent to hide anything. If I decided to remove Portal from this list because I do not agree with something I saw in one of their videos which was clearly neither showing their first kill nor was being used to claim a kill, I would need remove all other kinships which have no videos at all as well. Can we assume that they avoided the knockback in their first Gothmog kill as well? Maybe yes, but that's simply not how jurisdiction works.


I am really only trying to be as objective as possible. Feel free everyone to explain why you agree or disagree with me.

Portal didn't just avoid the knockback by putting their backs to the wall though. The debuff that comes up on your bar when the knockbacks begin doesn't even appear on the RK's bar in their OG video. That's obviously an exploit. How could the anthems and avoiding the knockback not significantly lower the difficulty of the fight if it allowed them to complete it nearly a minute faster than everyone else? They used the video to claim their Original Challenger of Gothmog kill did they not?

[marmi]

With nothing. 26k unbuffed can be used at most part situation. But at any boss i something change. For example at mumakils 34k unbuffed is normal, at third boss - 20k. At 6th now i pref 20k first stage, 28 second, 20 for mobs, 26 third, 20for mobs, 20 for gothmog(all unbuffed and ~).

Thank you for sharing. Could you please also share your other important stats in this (as you said used commonly) build, like crit, crit defense, mitigations (unbuffed)?
Ideally if you can post a screen with stats. I would like to know where I lack most, what should be my goal for dps class and so on...

[jennirich]

Thank you for sharing. Could you please also share your other important stats in this (as you said used commonly) build, like crit, crit defense, mitigations (unbuffed)?
Ideally if you can post a screen with stats. I would like to know where I lack most, what should be my goal for dps class and so on...

He's leaving out the exploited minstrel anthems: ~110K mastery would be ~300% damage, add in 45% from 3x legit anthems, and they would do 50K DPS, still higher than most because no knockback with capped mastery and +90% from 6 anthems, that's 490% damage, so they get to 71K 345/490 = 0.71; 71,000*0.71 = 50,400 dps

DPS would be lower still if they endured the knockbacks.

[jennirich]

Hello everyone!

I am recieving a lot of PMs lately and I apologize for not responding to everyone individually. I really did not want to discuss anything related to exploiting or removing kinships from this list publicly, but since there seem to be many different opinions on certain kinships, a clear and public communication may be the best solution.

First of all, I would like to explain my personal understanding of what counts as "severe exploit" and what doesn't:
In my opinion, there is a thin line and a lot of gray area between making clever use of unintended mechanics and a real exploit.

Let me give you some examples of what I consider "making clever use of probably unintended mechanics" and I think there is no reason to blame anyone for doing it:

• Using your cooldowns (for example Captain's "To Arms") pre combat and and using them again after they resetted when starting a bossfight.
• Switching your LIs or Armour in-combat. Note that switching armour is not possible any more but was commonly done pre HD expansion.
• Using old clickable armour or jewellary to gain some buffs pre-combat and then switch back to some items with better stats (e.g. Rift armour with 25% shadow damage avoidance).
• Interrupting skill animation with immediate skills to accelerate your skill rotation (if everything is done manually without the use of third party software).
• Re-summoning your Loremaster's pet to have no cooldown on their skills.
• ...

Then there are some "borderline exploits" which are clearly unintended but they are widely used and give you a comparably small boost. I feel switching trait trees pre-combat falls into this category. And while I am not happy to see this happening, I still don't think it justifies permanently removing a kinship from this list.

And then there are "heavy exploits" such as:

• Client hacks.
• Use of third party software messing with your skills.
• Using Inspired Greatness in raid instances.
• Stat exploits such as the Warsteed bug from some time ago.
• Exploiting enemy mobs so that they can't attack you any more. For example via heal aggro or Beorning taunts from outside the boss room.
• Using terrain exploits / glitch jumps to reach positions where you shouldn't be.
• Basically everything that allows your group to avoid the main indented mechanics of a fight, making the fight significantly easier.
• ...

If someone finds evidence that a certain kinship used "heavy exploits" to get a kill then I will certainly act accordingly.




I am recieving a lot of PMs regarding two things:

First, in Portal's Gothmog T2C kill video, we can see that there are 5 Minstrel Anthems active and some people suspect them of using an exploit. I personally don't play a Minstrel but I know that there should be no more than 3 Anthems active at the same time. Switching trait trees pre combat allow you to get a maximum of 4 Anthems but I do not know how 5+ Anthems are possible. I would like to see a statement of Portal explaining to us: 1.) how it is possible to get 5+ Anthems at the same time without exploiting and 2.) if it is a "borderline exploit", do you think it influenced your abilty to get the Gothmog T2C kill in a significant way? Why / why not?
I am also seeing your DPS classes are not affected by the "bird knockback", however I do not think it counts as severe exploit, so you do not need to comment on that.

Second, Eru Echor kinship made a public statement (both in English and in German) on their website: http://eruechor.ml/
So it seems like they got their first legit kill on Gothmog (without help from a GM) on 30 August which would mean they would be on rank 5 instead of rank 4. So I'm kind of torn between changing their kill date to 30 August and not changing it.
At the moment I am more on the side of not changing it because of two reasons: 1.) the fact that Turbine did not revoke their titles indicates that they did not "scam" a GM but simply had help to get past a bugged door. Also they did not skip any phases of the fight and the GM granted them the deed after monitoring them during the rest of the fight. 2.) I think it is VERY likely that they would have been able the beat it during the same lock cycle (they had raid locks after 20th August), so they would still be on rank 4 on the list nevertheless.



Please everyone keep civil and don't be hostile or disrespectful towards any other players or kinships!

What happened to EE on Gothmog was unfortunate. Even more unfortunate is that the same bug and other bugs happen to other groups but not everyone gets such a helpful and positive response from GMs. I vote that you revise their full clear date to reflect the day they kill Gothmog unassisted.

In regards to Portal's Gothmog fight: We found the spot in the bird stage that allowed for us to stand w/o getting knocked back the first day we were in there. At the time, our kin decided it was questionable and in our best interest to not use it lest people of the community considered it to be an exploit. Putting your back to a wall does not prevent the knockback mechanic. You still get bumped around when you back up to a wall and it will break your inductions. This spot where you avoid the knockback is similar to the corner bug in SS, in that you completely ignore that mechanic. IMO that makes it and exploit. Whether people think it's major or not is a matter of opinion.

That being said, the combination of the bugged out spot and the bugged out anthems sped up the bird stage for Portal. Generaly, it takes over a minute to kill the bird and Portal did so in 30s. If they had not used both these bugged mechanics, they would not have completed the fight in the 20 minute time frame thus failing challenge.

Other kins had no problem doing that fight w/o the bugged mechanics, MI6, Ramble On and Shock and Awe had no problem with it and have video proof of legit kills.

If Portal can do the fight in time, they can prove it by running boss 6 w/o those 'clever tactics' as they call it and put everyone's doubts to rest.

[Phindecano]

If turbine wanted you to stack more than 3 anthems, I think yellow would let you stack more than 3, fool.

I see that politeness is not something that belongs you nor MI6 members, you're just couple of savages and enviers, nothing more. It was already explained what anthems stack and what don't, or we should consider as exploit any trait switching before the fight?

To all those who blame that Portal used bugs during Gothmog fight, I suggest you to invite ThePinion to this thread and ask him if he consider any tactics from the videos posted here as exploits. As far as I know he saw Portal videos long before they were posted publically. Until any blue name confirms these as exploits, you're just haters and blowhards. And if it's confirmed as exploits by Turbine staff, Portal raid members should be banned and the title should be taken away.

Again, good luck on this.

[jennirich]

I see that politeness is not something that belongs you nor MI6 members, you're just couple of savages and enviers, nothing more. It was already explained what anthems stack and what don't, or we should consider as exploit any trait switching before the fight?

To all those who blame that Portal used bugs during Gothmog fight, I suggest you to invite ThePinion to this thread and ask him if he consider any tactics from the videos posted here as exploits. As far as I know he saw Portal videos long before they were posted publically. Until any blue name confirms these as exploits, you're just haters and blowhards. And if it's confirmed as exploits by Turbine staff, Portal raid members should be banned and the title should taken away,

Again, good luck on this.

Turbine doesn't discuss exploits. You wont get a comment from them. The most you'll get is a patch that fixes it w/o mention in the patch notes.

[godzwrath]

I see that politeness is not something that belongs you nor MI6 members, you're just couple of savages and enviers, nothing more. It was already explained what anthems stack and what don't, or we should consider as exploit any trait switching before the fight?

To all those who blame that Portal used bugs during Gothmog fight, I suggest you to invite ThePinion to this thread and ask him if he consider any tactics from the videos posted here as exploits. As far as I know he saw Portal videos long before they were posted publically. Until any blue name confirms these as exploits, you're just haters and blowhards. And if it's confirmed as exploits by Turbine staff, Portal raid members should be banned and the title should be taken away.

Again, good luck on this.

If Portal doesn't consider it an exploit, then why do none of the other videos showcase this "Clever trick"? Mumaks might, who knows. Vadokhar doesn't in your video. I thought it wasn't an exploit? A fight that's arguably even more needed to have dps than Gothmog t2c. There's numerous ways to shave off seconds in Gothmog besides...doing whatever you guys did in your video. Your Unbroken One video shows you abusing 6 anthems...shocker. One of the harder fights too. Guess you needed that extra boost since you literally have no idea how to do the fight. Nice job having some of your group suicide on devourings btw. Your Nazguls t2c video also lacks the not-exploit anthems.

Where's the first 40 or so seconds of this video btw? Surely it doesn't involve the use of not-exploit anthems! I bet you just didn't want us to see how pro you guys start off.

[TheKoromir]

If Portal doesn't consider it an exploit, then why do none of the other videos showcase this "Clever trick"? Mumaks might, who knows. Vadokhar doesn't in your video. I thought it wasn't an exploit? A fight that's arguably even more needed to have dps than Gothmog t2c. There's numerous ways to shave off seconds in Gothmog besides...doing whatever you guys did in your video. Your Unbroken One video shows you abusing 6 anthems...shocker. One of the harder fights too. Guess you needed that extra boost since you literally have no idea how to do the fight. Nice job having some of your group suicide on devourings btw. Your Nazguls t2c video also lacks the not-exploit anthems.

When there is nothing wise to say you just start to cavil to whatever you see. It is meanly, isn't it? Why do Portal need to ask its minstrels to use anthems before the battle in situations where they are not needed? "Guess you needed that extra boost since you literally have no idea how to do the fight." - Man, who was the first kin to close Unbroken One t2c? There were clear ideas and they were realised. Did you close that too? Even if soo, your ideas were far less appropriate.

Where's the first 40 or so seconds of this video btw? Surely it doesn't involve the use of not-exploit anthems! I bet you just didn't want us to see how pro you guys start off.

Do you even understand what are you writing about? Using of additional anthems is before the battle, in non-combat. If it was like the author didn't want you to see this usage, there would be no 1st Gothmog stage part or where else Portal used it on their vids.

Please, stop butthurting and think twice before you want to say smth "clever".

[strangerdanger]

This was supposed to be a thread about Raid Progression now it's turned into a bickering thread about who's exploiting, who's not and yada yada yada. Make a new thread about all of that BS and keep it out of this one before someone says something and it gets locked. Some of us are still trying to get the raid complete and would like to post our accomplishments. Meh nm your just gonna troll it anyway so why bother.

[Willj119]

Odyssey killed Gothmog t2c

however, there was a complication.

I believe the challenge quest did not bestow upon encountering Gothmog.
Therefore after we killed Gothmog within 20 minutes we did not get the deed / challenge chest spawn.

I have screenshots to prove that we did using the combat analysis timing system.

We encountered mordrambor / the fellbeast at 7:43:30


We encountered gothmog at 7:58:12
this encounter took 4 min 9 seconds
Therefore this encounter ended at 8:02:21


Therefore the fight took

8:02:21 - 7:43:30 = 18:51

This is well within 20 minutes.
I realise there is a slight amount of time between after you load into the breach of terror and you encounter the fellbeast. This amount of time is far less than 1 minute and 9 seconds which is the amount of time we had left.

[Kasius]

That was the worst gm support we ever had

[HebnesO]

This was supposed to be a thread about Raid Progression now it's turned into a bickering thread about who's exploiting, who's not and yada yada yada. Make a new thread about all of that BS and keep it out of this one before someone says something and it gets locked. Some of us are still trying to get the raid complete and would like to post our accomplishments. Meh nm your just gonna troll it anyway so why bother.

It IS still about Raid Progression, but once Kinships has been found to exploit and cheat their way through the raid and are still kept on the lists, the whole point of having a list becomes redundant.

Best of luck with clearance of the raid, may there be a legitimate list for you to become part of.

Odyssey killed Gothmog t2c

This is well within 20 minutes.
I realise there is a slight amount of time between after you load into the breach of terror and you encounter the fellbeast. This amount of time is far less than 1 minute and 9 seconds which is the amount of time we had left.

Congrats, tough luck. Next week/time it's yours.

[Celerdeth]

This is well within 20 minutes.
I realise there is a slight amount of time between after you load into the breach of terror and you encounter the fellbeast. This amount of time is far less than 1 minute and 9 seconds which is the amount of time we had left.

Did you guys start the fell beast phase right away? Because he talks for 30s + The timer starts when you load in. So could explain the ~39s.

[SpicyMacHaggis]

Odyssey killed Gothmog t2c

however, there was a complication.

I believe the challenge quest did not bestow upon encountering Gothmog.
Therefore after we killed Gothmog within 20 minutes we did not get the deed / challenge chest spawn.


Therefore the fight took

8:02:21 - 7:43:30 = 18:51

This is well within 20 minutes.
I realise there is a slight amount of time between after you load into the breach of terror and you encounter the fellbeast. This amount of time is far less than 1 minute and 9 seconds which is the amount of time we had left.

Just wanted to chime in here with deldo as one of the frustrated individuals in this raid.
We totally get that GM's can't just hand out deeds (especially after the other incident on Gwaihir, which caused some commotion on the forums). However it's really frustrating when the only response you get on a ticket is that you have to do it first try.

Also here's my combat analysis tag as the tank. As also shown in deldo's screenies, well under 20 minutes (we also had several people running timers and never even saw a "challenge failed" message pop up).


PS. Our posts are not because we're heartset on getting into the progression thread, but more to get an official response if it is indeed intended that you can't get challenge anymore if you wipe once at gothmog (which was the answer we got from GM's).

Did you guys start the fell beast phase right away? Because he talks for 30s + The timer starts when you load in. So could explain the ~39s.

I started the fight right away (we didn't use 6 anthems if that's what you're fishing for). Also if the challenge failed we should have had a message pop up which we didnt get.

[Kasius]

Blackout Raid Alliance
Gothmog T2CM
De Belegaer
Serverfirst



I missed this raid because i was waiting on the challange chest with odyssey on evernight.
Lost 2 times challange in 2 hours,niiiice

[floydisme]

Special thanks to kin for letting me bring my hunter for the full clear!

Congrats to your kin for finishing whole raid in one night AND getting title on your hunter!!! Hunters get no love in this raid :/ , but youve given me hope.

Awesome job guys, and to all kins who have completed the raid successfully!

[Celerdeth]

I started the fight right away (we didn't use 6 anthems if that's what you're fishing for). Also if the challenge failed we should have had a message pop up which we didnt get.

Wasn't trying to fish for anything, I just know that some people think it starts when you start the fell beast(We did our first couple runs). Was just wondering if that was the reason.

[YesMaam]

Congrats to your kin for finishing whole raid in one night AND getting title on your hunter!!! Hunters get no love in this raid :/ , but youve given me hope.

Awesome job guys, and to all kins who have completed the raid successfully!

Hunter was actually on par with RK nearly for mammoths. The range, the burst and the AOE for adds was useful. Boss 6 was great, I parsed decent on bird about ~5k less than rks. Carn dum room AOE and range was superior than RK's and so was trash pulls with ROA / HS spam. Last boss half of RK's very meh.

Boss 1,3,5 were about half of RK, maybe 60% if lucky parse. Just can't do that 50K+ dps. I'm looking forward to seeing what they do for hunter update, half is pretty rough. Just need raid to be good enough to carry you lol. Boss 3 is the worst.

If you want to talk about it any further can bring it up on PM or hunter forums as I don't want to distract thread for others. Thought I would just post that as I'm sure a ton of hunters follow this thread who can't raid right now.

[Haruno]

Blackout Raid Alliance
Gothmog T2CM
De Belegaer
Serverfirst


I missed this raid because i was waiting on the challange chest with odyssey on evernight.
Lost 2 times challange in 2 hours,niiiice

Atleast you know about the bug now, so it could prevent a potential 2x challenge loss next week^^

Thanks atleast for trying to get the german GM to help, shame the GMs weren't willing/able to fix.
Atleast we know how to do it and that we can do it so that should help

[Maffoid]

Atleast you know about the bug now, so it could prevent a potential 2x challenge loss next week^^

Thanks atleast for trying to get the german GM to help, shame the GMs weren't willing/able to fix.
Atleast we know how to do it and that we can do it so that should help

The GM's were indeed very useless.

I was talking with a GM and the GM said that you only get the challenge quest once per raid, but I know for a fact that the challenge quest resets after every attempt. You don't have to reset the raid after every failed attempt on challenge for Gothmog, right? I actually could be mistaken on that. If anyone can confirm, that would be great.

I then told the GM that she might have mistaken Throne of the Dread Terror for Silent Street, but then the GM then confirmed that he/she was talking about Throne.
I kindly said to the GM that they might have been mistaken, but GM then closed my ticket without replying to me, as the GM knew that I was correct, and they in the wrong, but they didn't want to admit it.
This isn't me begging for the challenge chest and challenge deed by the way, it's just the extremely poor service from the GM's.

#replaceuselessGM's

Great service, Turbine.

[Hepheastus]

You don't have to reset the raid after every failed attempt on challenge for Gothmog, right? I actually could be mistaken on that. If anyone can confirm, that would be great.

You are correct. Every ToDT boss, including Gothmog, re-bestows the challenge quest after a fail.

However, was this your first attempt that night or did you previously fail it before that successful attempt? I've noticed that on a wipe, if people retreat before the boss can reset (on several stages of the fight), the encounter sometimes does not reset properly (especially when there are long DoTs involved), stays in combat and thus does not re-bestow the challenge quest. This may be what has bugged it for you. My tip would be to make sure no one retreats on a wipe before you can actually see the boss(es) resetting and the challenge quest popping back up.

It is quite a shame that GMs know so little about the game they are moderating.