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Amazon Game Studios is co-developing a new massively multiplayer online game based on J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Lord of the Rings. The free-to-play game will be based on Tolkien’s literary trilogy, not the Peter Jackson-helmed films, and is unrelated to Amazon’s upcoming original TV series based on The Lord of the Rings that will be set in the Second Age.
https://www.polygon.com/2019/7/10/20...o-athlon-games
Old news though it adds some details about what studios will be involved and specifically says that the game will be for consoles (and computers) as widely expected.
I'd love to see some competition for SSG in this area, and it looks like that is going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by istvana
Competition usually helps the players, as they have choice of where to play Lord of the Rings as an MMO.
The "free to play" aspect of this new game means it will have to financially survive through players spending money in some other way other than subbing. That's alarm bells right there. That said, if it's just free to play and players use a monthly budget, that could be ok, as everyone will face the same grinds and available purchased progressions. Nobody will be paying a sub and still be facing those same grinds and progressions regardless of their financial input through their subscription. That's what let's LOTRO down.
I'll pass. After playing MMOs since 1999, I'm done with the whole thing. When LOTRO closes, that'll be the last MMO for me.
Personally I'd love to see SSG sell this game to a developer that will actually improve the game and listen to it's fanbase, as they certaintly don't. Many people state that F2P is what is keeping this game alive and that could be true, however, FFXIV proves that a sub only game can survive and even thrive in the current gaming environment. FFXIV is even gaining more players with every new expansion they come out with. Maybe SSG should be looking into how they do it, or how this new LOTR MMO will affect them and FINALLY do something to make this game great again. If they don't, this game won't survive and they'll be stuck with just DDO - and that won't pay the bills alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thereandbackagain999
Same, I think. I figure I'll stick with LotRO till it dies or I do, a tossup which happens first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nymphonic
Why would you not take a look at a free LOTR MMO to see if you prefer it to LOTRO, what do you have to lose?Quote:
Originally Posted by djheydt
Probably because most people know that games cost money to develop, especially brand new games that are being designed from the ground up and hope to be competitive. "Free" is just a word. It will mean you can log in, but after that, it will likely be extremely limited without a wallet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thereandbackagain999
Many games make their bacon through that wallet by offering a free game (which is only free to install and play at the most basic of levels), then pay to get anywhere. Some make their money with subs. LOTRO tries both without realising that their free to play model encroaches so hard on their VIP model, that it kills it and makes it worthless.
I agree but my point was why not have a look at it, I love The Lord of the Rings and am happy to soon have a second MMO in the same universe to look at.
I cannot speak for djheydt, but for me, I'm just not interested. Nothing against the game, i just have zero interest in trying it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thereandbackagain999
How much would it cost SSG to re-launch original SOA? I heard when the legendary server was about to release that they tried to run the old game but it would not coop with the new tech they have. But at least we know now that they have the old code/client available, so what would it take to make it run?
Thread moved to off-topic section.
We didn't know Amazon was involved before, that is not old news..Quote:
Originally Posted by istvana
Amazon Game Studios has announced it will be leading the development on a new The Lord of the Rings MMORPG.
Amazon’s Lord of the Rings MMORPG will a free-to-play adventure set in Middle-earth as “portrayed in The Lord of the Rings literary trilogy.” Meaning the MMO will likely be based on author J.R.R. Tolkein’s original books, rather than Peter Jackson’s film trilogy.
Can you explain why this was moved to this thread? What was wrong with it being in a forum called LOTRO General Discussion & Feedback? People are more likely to see this in the original location than in an off-topic forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSG_RedPanda
I'll probably have a look at it, as you say, nothing to lose by doing that, but keep in mind, the Free to play model by it's very nature is designed to hook the player. What starts as a "look" can often turn into "I'll play all that can be played for free" to "I owe the game at least some small payment for what I've got already, so I'll buy a horse and some starter stuff", to "Oh, I really want to see that other area", and before you know it, "Free" is a million miles away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thereandbackagain999
I'd love for LOTRO to launch a VIP, paid subs only server, even if only for a few months to trial it. No free to play players, no premium and no lifers, just paying customers - but no store, at all. Everything earned in game play. I'd like to see how well that would take off and how many would dip into the pocket for it. I certainly would, that would be totally worth paying for.
My guess is because this thread is not about general discussion and feedback about LOTRO. Being a discussion about another game by another studio it fits better here in Off-Topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thereandbackagain999
Its quite obvious why it was moved, as this thread is not LOTRO related, it talks about another MMO that is same universe yes, but again not related to lotro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thereandbackagain999
Anyway I'm not too surprised Amazon games is involved, it is interesting new news, and i did say from start there would be no new MMO if amazon never bought rights to make a TV series.
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Originally Posted by Thereandbackagain999
I think you answered your own question. :cool:
Yeah as others have said, it's not about LOTRO, it's about an entirely different game which is considered off topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thereandbackagain999
Hopefully, it won't have quest packs. And too bad, it won't launch for a while.
There's already a 10-month old thread about this that's been updated with today's news:
https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...LOTR-based-MMO
Meh, I'm staying here. I still love this game--it's fresh to me with all the new lands and updates, I quit the grind and only play the good bits, it's still immersive and beautiful. Plus they don't have MoL or Scenario...
Precisely! Fear of competition, my dude :) This thread move shows they're even less secure in their Tolkien monopoly than I expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thereandbackagain999
Well, I'll check it out. Doesn't mean I'll play it, it depends what they do with it.
It's all really up in the air right now. They're having to work with Middle Earth Enterprises and develop a MMO that takes place before the Lord Of The Rings according the Athlon and techraptor.
Therefore, it won't replace this game at all, perhaps it will even spark interest since a version, and a very interesting and beautiful version, of the resulting story is here.
That said, I always feel it's better to go look and know for myself rather than depend on the opinion of others. I don't allow myself to be influenced, socially engineered aka peer pressure aka "what will my friends think?", etc. The contents of my mind belong to me and the choice to share about what I choose to do is mine alone.
Namma
Old news. News breakes on 4th September 2018 what Leyou and Athlon Games creating new Lord of the Rings MMO, now Amazon Game Studios just co-working with Athlon Games on it. Their site don't have any new information since september 2018, have only 1 picture with map of Eriador/Rohan/Gondor.
The techraptor article is from July 10, 2019 titled; Leyou Reveal Partner On New F2P Lord Of The Rings MMO Is Amazon Games
And new is, at least for me;
Also, the Mic article, A new ‘Lord of the Rings’ video game is in development from Amazon Game Studios, links to this game's page is dated July 10, 2019 or at this time 22 hours ago.Quote:
...the new MMO will be set many, many years before The Lord of the Rings takes place.
Athlon has no current news save for the an update July 10, 2019 that Leyou will run game operations in China instead of Amazon.Quote:
...co-developers Athlon Games described the game in a statement last year as one that will take place "during the years leading to the events of The Lord of the Rings."
If what is in the articles is true, then there is no worry about this game having direct competition as the two time frames are different and perhaps people who haven't played this game yet will want to play through in a logical progression.
Given that this information is not anywhere in the Athlon or Amazon Game Studio press releases about the new co-development agreement, I would guess that someone is mixing up the new game with the new TV series, which is definitively set in the Second Age, many many years before LotR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Namma
Can you not all realise that this is possibly the worst news for a lord of the rings fan? !!
If you truly love Tolkiens world and want to enjoy it, then another big corporation player is seriously BAD!
Here is why...
Scenario : Amazon release a quite successful game and SSG take a hit in numbers... SSG lose staff in a round of lay offs. Lotro becomes worse for it. Story telling, world building etc etc all slows down dramatically. Eventually Lotro hit Maintenance mode or near as d@mn it. Amazon game trundles on for a few years and then, as corporations do, they shut it down...(as Warner did) and then where are we?
There is no SSG this time to pick up the pieces and carry the torch... So, the net result is that we have no world to play in or at best two worlds that are in maintenance mode with no more cool stories...
Everyone who says "great, SSG need some competition"... or "I can't wait and hope it is great" are really short sighted...
SSG cannot compete with the likes of Amazon...
If you really love Lotro... this can't be anything good
If you really love Tolkien. this can't be anything good
Curiosity though will drag most of us over but I hope that this is just another flash in the pan... and the inevitable Amazon game shut down is before the point where Lotro goes under.
I don't think this will happen, as far as we know the story is set at different time won't be the war of the ring, so Lotro is fine in my opinion, also look at SSG other game DDO (Dungeons & Dragons Online) they have been doing fine while at same time another company makes "Neverwinter" (Also D&D MMO) since like 2013, so i don't think Amazon's game will effect lotro.Quote:
Originally Posted by LabadalofDorlomin
First someone else (the guys that have Warframe) are making the game, Amazon's just putting money into it. Second from what others have written Amazon doesn't seem to have a very good record with games like this. Third it's either being done fast and dirty so as to launch along side the new Amazon Hobbit TV show or it'll take the normal development time on about 5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by LabadalofDorlomin
I'm not seeing the threat and add to it it's not in direct competition. Shadows of Mordor and the other LotR games weren't threats, why would this one be?
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Originally Posted by LabadalofDorlomin
Publisher with very little experience with Console and PC gaming market <
Athlon Games being a new studio spearheaded by a former Warner Brothers marketing suit with several Lord of the Rings titles that were short-lived money grabs of little substance <
Leyou is entirely interested in the monetary aspects of jumping on a marketing bandwagon, not too different than Warner Brothers during their rights-snag from Electronic Arts <
Game is now confirmed to be a direct tie-in to the TV series, which is also confirmed to be set in the Second Age - completely different to the setting of Lord of the Rings Online <
Frankly the only thing that's going to "kill" LOTRO is the needless fear-mongering posts like yours would bring.
I hope that aside for the modern graphics it will also have engaging, non p2w gameplay and the store (as it will be f2p it will inevitably have a store) will be 90% for buying fluff and cosmetics. If Warframe managed to maintain a balance, so could this new game
This is false. We have no official information saying what the setting of the game will be. There has been lots of speculation that it will tie in with the show, which has been confirmed to be set in the Second Age, especially since Amazon is now on board, but it is NOT "confirmed" at all that the two will be in any way connected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallandil
Where did you read this? cause this is false as many articles Point out the game will be unrelated project to the TV series so no it will not tie in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallandil
The official twitter. At the start of the year it posted “Welcome to the Second Age” and cryptically posted “Which should we do first Appendix A or B?”Quote:
Originally Posted by gildhur
That changed with the most recent news that Amazon is now partnered *with* Leyou and Athlon. Which is why the new game is resurfacing on these forums again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pontin_Finnberry
:::sighs::: In answer;Quote:
Originally Posted by gildhur
First paragraph at http://www.athlongames.com/athlon-games-partners-with-middle-earth-enterprises/ and:Quote:
Athlon Games is working with a partner developer to create an online game set in the world of Middle-earth™ at a time long before the events of The Lord of the Rings
Third paragraph down at the same page.Quote:
“We are extremely pleased to work with Athlon Games to create a new, immersive game experience, exploring epic regions in Middle-earth during the years leading to the events of The Lord of the Rings,” said Fredrica Drotos, Chief Brand & Licensing Officer at Middle-earth Enterprises.
And I, for one, never said anything about a series tie-in. Thanks.
I don't think it will compete at all. It's not the same time frame and it's not about the Lord of the Rings Trilogy - the books or the movies.Quote:
Originally Posted by LabadalofDorlomin
I feel that perhaps it might spark some interest in this game providing that we continue to support it. The people playing that game just maybe might like to then play in the world of the Trilogy.
Of course I'm just speculating on the interest it might garner, but about the fact that they seem to be developing their game in a time before the Lord Of The Rings? No, it was said by the Middle Earth Enterprises spokesperson and quoted right on the Athlon games page.
I will remain calm about it regardless of any interest it may gain. We don't know what the game will look like and play like. If it tanks perhaps the resulting articles will be nice enough to link people here, no?
That's what I'm talking about, most new articles that say amazon games is now with the Project say it won't be related to the TV series, is why i asked where you read that cause i haven't read any articles that say it does tie in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallandil
Really? It doesn't have to be in the same time frame as Lotro.... all it has to be, is set in middle earth, a true mmo and good. You already have 99% of folks on here including myself saying that they will check it out. How many Dollarpounds do you think the average player has? Enough to sustain playing two middle earth games?Quote:
Originally Posted by Namma
All it has to be is fresh and engaging and it will have a huge impact on this game. Blind optimism isn't going to keep the wolf from the door. Scare mongering or not this news is nothing good and as my original post stated all those who state that Lotro needs some competition are mad... they couldn't compete with the corporations.
I just hope like many MMO that it fails miserably in the design stage and gets canned before release. :D
My mistake then. Even if it isn't a direct tie-in, it has been stated even as far back as Leyou's corporate letter that the aim is to market it alongside the television series. To successfully do so, as the Amazon series is confirmed to be a Second Age based story for the time being, it would most likely be beneficial for them to utilise a different world-setting from Lord of the Rings Online. Especially given players likelihood of comparing both games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pontin_Finnberry
You are correct. It doesn't have to be the same time frame in Middle Earth. There is a very compelling draw to any Tolkien material for those who enjoy his stories. Its only those players here, who have roosted in this slice of the time line due to being comfortable with this LotR creation, who will deny any possibility another world in time might exist which can become compelling. It is up to SSG to decide what they can do with the time they have left.Quote:
Originally Posted by LabadalofDorlomin
I am sure that more than 90% of the people who have ever played this game, even remotely attracted to the story, will try a new MMO representing the same universe.
If they don't go with same time frame, why Athlon have picture on their site with Gondor, Rohan and other places from current time frame?Quote:
Originally Posted by sapienze
You mean the map?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elmagor
Perhaps because that is the image that Middle Earth Enterprises allowed them to use?
Regardless of how folks could argue it, and how discussions on the topic will likely blur into discussions about LOTRO (presumably our business model, among other things), we feel it is going to be important to set an expectation about discussing other Lord of the Rings IP-based games: they go in Off-Topic. Similar to a discussion about a mobile game, console game, or other game, discussions on this particular game will take place in Off-Topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thereandbackagain999
That is fair enough.... Only the hardcore of us would be down here in the depths and we are already hooked with the biggest line and sinker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordovan
For those saying the new LotR MMO in development won't affect LotRO because they are going to be set in different time frames I wouldn't quite hold that to heart. Star Wars Galaxies was killed off right before Star Wars the Old Republic launched and both games, while being MMO's, had distinctively different design and gameplay mechanics and were set in completely different time periods. Still didn't save Star Wars Galaxies (which was a better MMO than SWTOR in my mind). I am not proclaiming the death of LotRO by any means, but it is entirely possible that there will not be two competing LotR MMO's when the Amazon one comes out.
If the new LotR MMO isn't an MMORPG I won't even bother to test it. I've tried my share of "suck the cash out of your wallet" strategy games which use an IP as a cosmetic over an existing mechanic, won't let you win anything unless you spend huge amounts of cash and won't even go into the depths of the IP's story. I really hope the new game will be different so that I'll have two cool LotR games to play, but I'm rather pessimistic.
It's a PC/Console MMORPG. That much has already been stated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gildoriel
Oh, that's great then - really looking forward to it in that case :) :) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallandil
I think if you sat down the Lucas people that killed SWG in favor of SWToR now and asked them if that was the right move they probably wouldn't agree. At the time I'm sure it seemed like a smart decision, but now with 2 D&D games running at the same time ...... I think most have a broader idea of how much the market will bear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryukan
Totally different scenario. Star Wars Galaxies had driven away a good part of its customer base with the Combat upgrade and New Game Experience, and by the time they got everything ironed out and running smoothly, too many people had left already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryukan
Yeah, numbers have gone down in LOTRO, but it's not even close to what happened with SWG. There's a good chance SWG would have closed without SWTOR.
As one who was there at the time, I'm not so sure. SWG was down to its core. As a niche game within SOE, I say they'd have kept it going. Only EA killed it by getting Lucas Arts to give them an exclusive license, despite the different timelines/settings, in my opinion. People, I think, forget that there was a 'cash shop' of a sorts, in SWG at the time, via the Trading Card Game. Sure, TOR would have likely hurt their numbers for a time; yet not necessarily fatally nor permanently. Of the two games, and I am a founder in TOR, SWG was *much* better, even after the CU and NGE, at least for me. I would not be surprised to know, today, that LotRO's numbers, overall, compare favoably to TOR's; even though TOR is a few years younger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nymphonic
Pretty much the same. Frankly those that go on about how the pop tanked when the NGE came in; while correct, fail to acknowledge that a different kind of player than came into the game. While in no way, shape or form the same numbers as the original version of the game. Those new players could have kept the game going in the SOE stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdq1958
While it wasn't the same game any more after NGE came in, it wasn't destroyed, just not what the original players wanted to play although I know of a number that kept on playing.
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Originally Posted by cdq1958
I miss that game. Best MMO I ever played. Having parties on a space yacht while looking at a planet below was beyond awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebless
Honestly you guys are crazy if you think this game won't be affected by another Lord of the rings MMO.
Honestly, I really switched to Chromebook for my laptop needs. I have a desktop at work, but I don't have enough space for a desktop anymore.
Even if I had a desktop at home, like most other people who game, my time is very limited.
I don't care if I'm playing a Lord of the rings game In this century or that century. If I have a choice between a 10-year-old MMO And a brand new MMO I'm picking the brand new MMO .
On top of that I'll be able to play on a console. I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no question that LOTRO will be 100% maintenance mode if it still exists.
Honestly the goal at the beginning of LOTRO was to make it to Mordor. We are past Mordor and the ring, and as much as they could take the story further, the main story is pretty much over.
My old kinship and everyone that I knew that used to play this game doesn't play anymore. There are select few die hards and lifetime subscription members left, myself included, but again when my time is very limited I'm going to play a new Lord of the rings MMO any day of the week.
We all know this is the reality.
Let's say someone does have an extra 2 or 3 hours to game, Are they really going to split their time between a brand new Lord of the rings MMO and a 10-year-old Lord of the rings MMO? Realistically, if we are honest, they will get a little tired of the Lord of the rings world and maybe want to play a shooter game, or a sports game.
This is a realistic take. LOTRO, which I have loved for so long, has been wrapping up. And this other MMO will be the death of LOTRO. And for what it is worth, LOTRO is amazing, and I'm glad I invested the time I have into it. It has a great community, and it is a great game. Yes, if you are die hard enough to be on LOTRO forums right now, maybe you would play both, but if we are honest, that's few and far between.
On top of all this, LOTRO has an outdated F2P system. Fortnite is free with no paying required, only cosmetics, Star Wars the old republic is free, and you get the base game completely free, with full voice acting. LOTRO is pretending to be as popular as WoW, and they are giving your first 20 levels free, and pretty much forcing you to pay for zones afterwards. Don't act like everyone has time or wants to grind deeds for a month in order to play for free. Other games allow you to play for free without that. Elder scrolls online let's you buy the base game, which on eBay is like $5, and you can play the whole base game free.
LOTRO is still squeezing every dollar out because they know it's the end. Can't we be honest? If LOTRO was completely free, maybe, just maybe, it could survive longer in maintenance mode, but too many f2p games around. A second rate LOTRO MMO, especially with a brand new one out, just won't interest people
On paper, and in theory, you are correct. Lotro should be outclassed in every way to the new MMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReppinGod
However there are dozens, if not hundreds, of MMO's in the failed graveyard. Lotro is one of the exceptions as it has lasted 12+ years and it has lasted this long for several reasons.
Amazon's MMO is NOT a guaranteed success, nor is it guaranteed to be better than Lotro. If this new MMO releases and is designed poorly, and the f2p model is deeply linked to gameplay, there are performance issues or even lore-breaking moments then you will see another second rate Lotr MMO, or even another MMO added to the graveyard.
I don't know about you but I don't want another second rate Lotr MMO. I think a Lotr IP MMO can be the best MMO every made if done correctly. Lotro was a decent first attempt and we will have to see what Amazon's vision is. Personally I want a Lotro 2.0, I have a good vision for it and would love to see it made. If only I had the money to buy SSG and make it lol.
As a Lotr and MMO fan I will probably play both. Looking forward to see what Amazon has to offer.
Also I don't think Lotro ever shuts down. Worst case it will go down to 2 servers and total maintenance.
Yes, and right now, LOTRO still has one advantage already: The Story.
Amazon's MMO sounds like A- it'll be a prequel, and B- with that clause "never seen before" or "never before seen by fans," they really are taking the ultimate risk, because they are making it sound like this new MMO will not only be set in the past, but off-book. That's a tremendous risk given what "Shadow of Mordor" and its sequel "Shadow of War" did, even though they were not MMO's. At first, they seemed cool from a distance, I thought of trying them, but as soon as I saw those cinematics on youtube of High Elves possessing humans and turning them into half-wraiths and Entish-nature creatures fighting Balrogs and somehow not burning-up and this business with Shelob having a humanoid form- that............. turned me off.
Some players are still here because they still care about the story of LOTR. This idea of wrapping something that has nothing to do with LOTR with the marketing of a LOTR game, other than loosely set in Middle-earth, sounds very suspicious to me as a player. I'll wait and see what Amazon does, I won't pre-judge, and I'll probably try it out when it launches, but..................... the idea of going beyond-beyond-beyond can be concerning.
LOTRO will also be foraging into beyond-beyond-beyond territory too, most likely, but there will be one key difference: LOTRO is driven to follow the Lore in most cases, and is driven to represent each new zone with lore accuracy, based primarily on what Tolkien wrote. They read the Appendices at the end of ROTK closely and pay attention to them- they took the narrow Vales of Anduin and managed to cover part of Rohan's origins, Radagast's doings, the Beornings, Gollum's history, Isildur's downfall, and the Ring-Lore at large, with some foreshadowing concerning Sharkey as well.
They don't go "off-book" in LOTRO- and where they do, its notable exceptions, not the norm. I bet that even if we head out to Rhun, Harad, or Khand, LOTRO will still be focusing on building those zones from what we know, not just winging it and doing whatever.
I believe this is why LOTRO has lasted for so long: its Devs actually -care- about the story they are telling and its source material, and I think folks recognize this. I'm not saying Amazon doesn't or won't- maybe its just a marketing error on their part. We will see.......... I know, in a Middle-earth-based MMO, as a player, I tend to want -actual- Middle-earth first before foraying to stuff "never before seen" by me. :D
Another advantage Lotro has is being the first MMO to add a music system and play with others sharing what you made. who knows amazon might try this as well.
Lord of the Rings story and it progression is well known to millions and even more. This games story is near complete and imo should have been already completed. So, the advantage you speak of at this time becomes a disadvantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phantion
Where as the Leyou project as you pointed out is an unknown. Which could possibly be a never ending story. I'll have no issues with this because it wasn't inspired by a direct linear series of events, like LotRO is.
I make a clear distinction between the two.
Also, I read your rational about Radagast and I can't disagree more with you. At this point, all I see is longtime invested players making excuses about how LotR can be changed because this is a game and it must do so to maintain and survive. Sorry, But I can't have those maligned additions to "my" story as "I" know it to be written and imprinted onto my memory, of the greatest fiction ever written. Honestly its about as bad as hearing people and players think Tauriel was actually written into the trilogy. You know, the red headed Elf that every Lore person despises because she doesn't belong in the movie trilogy?
I prefer to have LotRO stick to the known lore. Not something, I will reflect upon in future years and say to myself. "Oh ya that was the company who ruined Lord of the Rings and place them upon the same stage as Peter Jackson." I'd really, really not see this scenario.
When I sum this up. I say, the Leyou project has limitless choices because they aren't in a predefined box. It looks like they have near everything to draw upon outside of LotR and I don't see how conceptually this is a disadvantage in any way. Oh btw, did I mention, they now have Amazon on their side? :D
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Originally Posted by sapienze
I ironically disagree with myself in the other thread about Radagast. Yes, there are some significant issues with what they did there. Yes, it destroys the mysterious origins of the Beornings. Yes, I made some mistakes in my rationalization, and yes, they are crossing some lore lines. Sometimes, one has to write one's ideas out, watch others disagree with them, and then -see- their absurdity for oneself, retrospectively. That's just the nature of learning. Just because Radagast and the Beornings happen to share a Great River doesn't mean they necessarily had much to do with each other. At least they got the part about Radagast getting overly distracted by the needs of birds and beasts right- that is indeed in accordance with what Tolkien said happened to him and why he didn't sail West.
My skepticism toward Amazon really stems from two things: 1- I'm naturally overly cautious; 2- Disney's acquisition of "Star Wars" is a cautionary tale because it had mixed results both writing-wise and overall quality-wise. I liked some of the new things they did, I strongly disliked other things they did; it's just always a gamble when a huge monolith takes-over a story's franchise or IP, it can go either way, for good or ill. HBO with GoT is another example- mixed results, heavy fan reaction. It's always risky to take a book from the quiet environs of Oxford, UK, and turn it into something else. I just hope Amazon's interest is genuine, but the realist in me know's better.
Do not mistake me- I hold Tolkien's works as close to my heart as you do. I think we can both agree that we're both afraid of seeing his legacy get hurt. You're coming at it from the one side of the coin, I'm coming at it from the other. You're noticing the major lore mistakes this game has made, and if I'm reading you right, you are guarding your imagination from them. That's good :) Absolutely.
My biggest concern is that Amazon will basically make an MMO sequel to "Shadow of Mordor" or otherwise make a "Guild Wars 3" set in the unknown regions of Arda with the name Middle-earth placed on them. Will it be cool? I sure hope so. Will I play it? Probably. But am I afraid of what a game could do without being fettered by Tolkien's storyline? Yes- and I can cite many LOTR-based games as examples, from Gondorians fighting in the halls of Moria to Tom Bombadil dancing across a battlefield killing Orcs, to the various SoM examples I've already mentioned (fyi- those are "Third Age" and BFME II, both of which were also film-based).
Watching "Exploring LOTR" go on its field trips, I can't help but notice how many times LOTRO got it right, whether its the depictions of the Shire or Bree-land or the Arnorian ruins or Evendim or Eregion or Rivendell, and the list can go on and on and on.
Is it perfect? No. Dol Amroth could've used some different statues other than Elendil's head's spammed everywhere. I hope they'll revisit the visuals in Gondor's regions and start making those cities less generic and have their own unique character, with less gaudiness to them. Of course there are lore issues- there always will be in any adaptation; its in the nature of what it means to adapt. I hope that Amazon will -learn- from what happened with HBO and GoT and with Disney and SW- and maybe be a bit more cautious and mindful and, well, care, in how it tells its stories?
So I'll come to the middle and be more cautiously optimistic about Amazon's MMO- I really want to see Amazon do something great with the IP, not mess it up, and I hope we can agree on that. :)
I may be misunderstanding you, but conceptually this puts Leyou at a huge disadvantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapienze
If you look at a timeline for Tolkien's Works, the only time period that is filled out in any detail is the War of the Ring period. Everything else, from Years of the Trees to 3A 2950, is so spread out and undetailed.
Say you want a first age game set during the war of wrath, the war of wrath lasted 32 years. You may think, 32 years! that's a lot of content, but our characters are going to live for 32 years while the world around them gets completely destroyed by the Valar? Don't think so.
Or maybe a 2nd age game? There is so little detailed during the 2nd age that there are 100 year gaps between events.
Any Lotr game set at any time other than War of the Ring would require an extraordinary amount of creative work. That may be a good thing, some cool new stories and such. But it also may be a bad thing, with Shadow of War type stories that make the Lore side of me want to cast those games into the Void. That immediately puts Leyou at a disadvantage because its 1: extra creative work, and 2: Its a greater chance at Retconning in something that doesn't fit at all with Tolkiens works. And losing the Lore fans that love play for Tolkiens world is a death blow for any Tolkien game.
I've been working on my vision for a Lotro 2.0. Its on the forums and you can view it if you want: https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...or-a-Lotro-2-0
But what I would do is have the game take place a few years before Frodo leaves the Shire with the ring. The War hasn't broken out yet, but the pieces are moving. Saruman and Sauron are building their armies and there are skirmishes and things moving behind the scenes. Enough action to build a world around. I would then flesh out the entire world as one current world, not a timeline of events like we have now.
Then I would do a Cataclysm style Expansion where the entire landscape is transformed into the War of the Ring period and go from there. This way I extended the story enough to last 10-15 years and have plenty of content for players to do.
The last thing I would do is expand upon the lost lore quests. What I would do is add hundreds of lost lore quests based on all the past events in the 1st/2nd/3rd age and essentially have flashback-session plays. This allows players to see events like the Fall of Gondolin, War of Wrath, Sinking of Numenor etc, without having to completely build a world around them.
I expect Leyou/Amazon to figure this out at some point during development, if they haven't already. If you read the press releases they already stated that the game wont be linked to the tv show so 2nd age is thrown out the window. And there are some articles that state that the game will take place "leading up the years of the Lord of the Rings." My guess is that the game will take place sometime during the late 3rd age, maybe between the Hobbit and Lotr.
I will play either way, but we will see what happens.
As I said in a previous post, I make a clear distinction.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteWolf21x
The former being, LotR is linear and well defined and any MMO drawn upon this is as well. Well, imo it should be and its finality is already determined.
The latter being, all the history leading up to LotR isn't well defined and leaves a near eternity of choices that can travel well off of the known history and still stay within the tracks previously laid. Also having several ages to work with is a looooong time.
There is no way this is a disadvantage. There is always the possibility what you describe about Lore corruption can happen, but at this point it is all conjecture. I see no reason why its wrong to be optimistic about what can happen (A new Middle Earth MMO) vs. what has already been established (LotRO).
I get what you're saying. And from a story/setting stand point I agree that having all of Tolkien's work to pick from is better than having just the Trilogy/Appendicies/Hobbit that SSG has. (If that is indeed the case. We have no idea what the terms are for the game. We know that Amazon paid the Tolkien Estate a rather large amount to be allowed to make a second age TV show, and only a TV show. None of the articles stated the same for the game, only that ME Enterprises, not the Tolkien Estate, allowed Amazon/Layou to make a second MMO. They could be stuck with the same limits as SSG. Will have to wait and see.)Quote:
Originally Posted by sapienze
Why I say its a disadvantage is more based on the amount of work that is needed. A game based on the War of the Ring is easy because everything is already laid out in detail. You don't have to create much lore/events because its already done. Just copy paste as you move through the story.
Any other period is different. For example say your game is taking place during the Fall of Gondolin. We know what happens in Gondolin and the surrounding area so that's easy. But because everywhere else is unknown, you have to then create events and stories for those areas that fit into the lore. You go from copy and paste to weeks/months of creative. That is definitely a disadvantage.
And there isn't as much freedom as it may seem. The major events have already been laid out; character deaths, battles, natural events etc. So you cant get too crazy with story telling without infringing on the laid out lore. It would essentially be endless battles with second rate enemies that pose no real danger to the world because that part of the story hasn't happened yet.
Of course there are reasons to be optimistic. A Middle Earth MMO that will most likely be made for the PS5/Xbox Scarlet Era, will probably look and run awesome. And I would love to see some of the other events in Tolkien's works. But there are reasons to be skeptical as well. I don't think MMO's and F2P work well together at all and there are questions about the companies ability to make a MMO. We will have to wait and see.
In my opinion a Lotr MMO has the chance to be the best MMO ever made. That is what I want. Not a shell of a former game slowly grinding along, or a good-not-great attempt at a modern F2P MMO. Lotro was a decent attempt that slowly went south mainly due to a lack of plan. That's why I want a Lotro 2.0 over anything else. If you take all the great things about Lotro; Lore, Landscape, RP elements etc, fix up some of the class and balance issues and spend more time on things like raiding and pvmp, then a Lotro 2.0 would offer a better experience.
Its all in theory and what if of course. And Im going to play the new MMO day 1. I just want the best Lotr game possible.
I'm listening to Amazon use some pretty weasel words in their description of what to expect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thereandbackagain999
Its going to be brand new, they say. No one will have seen any of this before, they say.
We're getting the licensing rights from Middle Earth Enterprises, they also say, which lets the air out of the first two statements. Middle Earth Enterprises has no rights to anything other than Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit. They're the same outfit from which SSG has a license. SSG just released High Elf with a Second Age starting area, and Minas Morgul which is also a Second Age region (well documented in the Appendicies of LOTR trilogy).
At best Amazon could get full Hobbit rights. Oooooo.
Second, this is being released not just on PC, but also on Consoles. Expect gameplay to be combat combat combat. Very little time spent looking at scenery. Story? If they get around to it, and no running over territory already plumbed by SSG, since "brand new", remember. And if they're developing it on console and porting to PC, oh dear god no.
Finally, its entirely Free To Play. No subscriptions. While LOTRO works with a f2p model pretty well, its doing well because of subscriptions too (hi Anor and Ithil). FFIV is doing well on subscription only. I played an entirely free to play MMO once. LOTRO isn't pay to win by any stretch of the imagination, but the free to play model (outside of LOTRO, where you can earn all the quest packs in game) is actually the microtransaction pay to win model.
So they can only do things SSG has already done, the model will be nearly all combat, it will probably suck just as much as every other game which was designed for consoles and ported to PC, and if you think SSG is a drain on your wallet, SSG will seem literally free to play by comparison to the Amazon Lord of the Weasels Game.
It looks interesting but to be honest i have spend all those years to much time,money and effort for this game to drop it if something better arrive.The only reason i will stop play this game is if the developers push me away and i say this since the beginning.
Then i am done with MMOs and i will return to the old fashion single player games with the option when i want to play multiplayer.For now LOTRO is the only game in my PC i hope i will keep it that way for long time more and like i said it depends from our developers if i do.
Amazon's New World is due to launch in a few months. This might give some insight into what to expect from a Tolkien inspired game. Insight to systems, quality of graphics, combat, and other related features.
At no point, have I read the game's primary focus would be on a console. If anything from what I read it is first a PC game. New World is advertised the same way and in that game it promotes 50vs50 interaction. I haven't touched a game console of any kind in a long time, but I'd think a PC could handle that kind of experience better than a console. Bezos himself commented when ask what kind of MMO he wants. He said he wants a game with high computational systems. He might have phrased it as, Stupidly high computations. What does that mean? Well, I don't think that means building an average MMO accepting the current usual standards. Nor do I think that means a player can use their ten year old potato.
I'm willing to see what it becomes. Who knows, it could turn out be the best game in Tolkien's universe. What I won't do is say it will suck, because of any sunken cost in LotRO. I can't see a guy who has billions and a love for Tolkien's world, wasting his time creating a pos. I'd place a bet with great odds in favor of it not being laggy.
Have you seen anything on New World? Its like a group sandbox survival game with crafting elements. The only things that would likely gain insight to the Lotr MMO would be combat(maybe), graphics(maybe) and sub systems like crafting(maybe). I could be wrong of course and the two games could share a lot, but then you're looking at more of a multiplayer/co-op action game and less of a MMO (imo)Quote:
Originally Posted by sapienze
And from what I hear, they completely reworked the entire game in the past year after closed alpha:(https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/comm..._of_new_world/)
Reports like this scream mismanagement to me, which is what put Lotro in its current position.
This right here is my biggest concern, as Amazon has a terrible track record for gaming. Their Studio has been opened for almost 8 years and all they have to show for it is a handful of mobile games and a game based on one of their tv shows (as well as New World.) Not much for a billion dollar company.
My other concern is f2p. We all know how this goes. Starts off innocent enough, then a slow roll towards p2convienence/p2w. Along side of more cosmetics in the shop instead of being earnable in game. At least the business model should be better then Lotro's.
I do agree however that game performance should be drastically better.
As for console/pc. I expect cross platform to be a thing. Or at least a shared account so you can swap between the two at will. (ESO doesn't have this and it sucks.) I don't expect pc or console to receive preferential treatment.
I feel the Lotr MMO will be similar to Eso. Action combat, good graphics, story driven content with the occasional dungeon/raid. Usual sub systems; crafting, mounts, kins/guilds etc. And one or two surprise features to try and spice it up. Nothing too crazy.
the game that has the least LAG and less infuriating GRIND will have the most players.
my theory is that LOTRO's lag is caused by old hardware having to deal with new code.it seems the more calculations per second the system has to compute ie more people in same zone with more intense rendering the slower the server can pass the info on,i am not a programmer so that is my layman's idea how it could be the cause
There is way more to an MMO than lag and grind. There are MMO's that have worse grinds than Lotro but still have more players, and nearly every MMO I know of has its fair share of performance issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by fealegwe2
And why does an MMO have to have the most players? That might be the biggest issue among the genre today. Just because WoW peaked at 15 million players doesn't mean all MMO's need to try and reach that mark. 10,000 players to 100,000 players is plenty for a MMO. Heck even Lotro's servers of 500-1000 are fine for a game of this size. Trying to cater to everyone just to reach the multi million player mark is a easy way to drive a mmo into the ground.
I've only seen what the game's developers has shown or written about.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteWolf21x
It is a sandbox game. I thought that was understood by anyone who read about it. That doesn't mean the LotR game will be.
Neither game seems to be a tab target combat game. I guess that's prompted by the cross platform inclusion.
Yes the game was shutdown and reworked. I recall a different MMO that went through the same situation and resurfaced as one of the biggest games of the last several years. Anyone heard of Final Fantasy?
One recent and huge change to New World is, it is not a Free to Play game. You can right now purchase a pre order. I see no reason to assume the LotR game will be a F2P game, even when is was previous stated it would be. Realities change.
One main reason I stayed with LotRO for a long time was the social aspect. I came for the story. Stayed for the players. Regardless if Amazon's New World or Lord of the Rings is story driven or just a full on sandbox, the games community will decide the success. A huge part in MMO success is providing communication. Reacting to problems and implementing a good customer service experience. If Amazon provides these things, the players will willingly deal with temporary minor flaws.
After all look at what and why we are engaging each other here. Today, right now. We all know the shortfalls endured here and yet persist.
I don't understand how the Amazon game can both claim to be "based on Tolkien’s literary trilogy," and also claim to be set in "a time long before the events of The Lord of the Rings, exploring lands, people and creatures never seen before by fans of the Tolkien universe.” This smacks of "We got the rights to names and places, and then just made up our own fantasy game."
Combine that gloomy possibility with the fact it's console/PC and therefore catering to button-mashing combat... probably including pvp... I'm not holding my breath for anything profound.
Most of the people who play lotro are here for the world, the story, and the community. A hack-and-slash FTP console/PC MMO sporting a "tolkien-inspired" sticker on the box isn't likely to be much competition for the lotro player base.
You essentially just described SSG's foray into the Second Age layer of Mordor released with Minas Morgul. Even though Sam put the knives to Shelob, somehow SSG managed to find super sleuthing skills to track down Shelob. Aragorn and Eomer are going on a long years wars in the East based on a couple obscure sentences into a new zone no one has ever been to in any game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halphast
You are ignoring that any new game paving a way to success will exist across all gaming platforms. In case you didn't know. Its a thing. I seem to recall Turbine wanted to bring LotRO to console.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halphast
REEE! PVP hurts my pixels! I don't recall pvp being mentioned, but if it does... What of it?
Everyone who plays any game is there for one or more and likely all three. Since the game isn't launched, you can't know anything more than anyone else. Your cynicism is showing proudly in the face of possible competition. SSG is not telling the Lord of the Rings story anymore. They don't want to and said as much. Instead choosing obscure passages to elaborate at extreme length before resuming the actual written story in it totality from beginning to its ending. Where as the Amazon game has no preset boundary within the Tolkien universe like the LotR trilogy. So, there is a real distinction between the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halphast
Your lack of understanding that one box is far larger than the box next to it, whether willful or not has no bearing on the outcome. Choices are what matters. If you choose not to have choices, then you have that prerogative.
I honestly dont' think it's going to be much competition. From what I've seen, the two games will be alike in franchise name only and nothing else.
Agreed, and I think it's hilarious that people are predicting the end of LotRO based on another game which is "vaporware" at this time. Let's talk about it when the Amazon game is actually released, shall we?Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidmeetHal
The key difference is that Lotro contains the full story already, so their expansions and additions just make the game larger. Amazon already stated they're not dealing with the events of LOTR so theirs is just a made up fantasy playland with LOTR themes.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapienze
I mentioned pvp because it sets the tone for the game. Lotro is anti-pvp and as a result has a player population known for its friendliness and helpfulness. Games that allow and/or encourage pvp have a different feel and attract different sorts of players, so it will be a significant distinction and is worth mentioning.
So you see, the point of my post was that the Amazon game seems to be telling a different story to a different audience, so people shouldn't be afraid of the competition driving Lotro out of business. Your immediately contentious response suggests you were hoping for that possibility.
The same way Amazon's LotR series will be both based on LotR and not show the events of LotR. The appendices and books have countless references to events that happened hundreds and thousands of years ago. The show is confirmed to be set in the Second Age, presumably featuring the events we know happened during that time, not "made up fantasy" story. The game, though not confirmed to be set in the Second Age, will very likely follow a similar pattern of portraying characters, places, and events in the history of Middle-earth before the War of the Ring, not a "made up fantasy game."Quote:
Originally Posted by Halphast
To be clear, we know almost nothing about the Amazon game yet, so this kind of pessimistic speculation is not at all helpful to anyone.
There isn't really that much from the 2nd age that they'll be able to touch, without having the rights to the Silmarillion etc. If they're creating something "never before seen" that's "based on the trilogy" and nothing else, it will be mostly a new invention.Quote:
Originally Posted by gildhur
Look, I'm not bashing the Amazon game just for the sake of being negative. People seemed afraid that the Amazon game would kill Lotro. My "pessimism" was only meant to reassure them by pointing out that the Amazon game is shaping up to be completely different from Lotro, and likely won't create much competition for players.Quote:
Originally Posted by gildhur
They don't have anything new from 7 months now. The only thing what Amazon game would kill right now it himself. Even Lotro have more info during that point of developementQuote:
Originally Posted by Halphast
LOTRO will be shut down just before the Amazon game goes live; Amazon won't want the competition (such as it is). Middle-Earth Enterprises will cancel SSG's license. Same thing happened to Star Wars Galaxies when Star Wars The Old Republic launched. I'm sure SSG already knows this; there won't be an official announcement until the Amazon game is close to launch.
Eh I disagree. Worst case scenario, Amazons Lotro is a smashing success and every flocks there, causing Lotro to shut down. Most likely scenario, Amazons MMO struggles, or just doesn't release. Middle Earth Enterprises has been involved with Lotr games for quite a while so they understand the whole process. Amazon on the other hand has been nothing short of a failure games-wise. They haven't released anything substantial in the 8 years they've been developing and New World has been a disaster from a design/develop/management standpoint. SSG and Lotro is currently a guarantee. Amazon's Lotr MMO is not. So Middle Earth Enterprises wont shut SSG down when they have proven to handle the IP just because Amazon wants them to. Especially since its not a guarantee that Amazons MMO will be good. MEE is not gonna take the chance of losing both incomes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlacrityFitzhugh
Edit: Also, if I was SSG and had the money/manpower I would try to race Amazon by making a Lotro 2.0. A refined version of the current game could be received better, especially if they release it before Amazons. Just something to think about.
Further to this, Amazon’s effort is supposedly set in a different era to LOTRO, not covering the original story. So there is no reason why the two can’t co-exist. I’m not interested in the new one myself, and will stick with LOTRO - I suspect I’m not the only one ...Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteWolf21x
People who predict such nonsense what Lotro will be shut down forget what both Star Wars games was created by same companies and same people, in same scenarion Lotro will suffer only if SSG create Lotro 2.0. Also Star Wars The Old Republic was more ready when it happens, right now Amazon have nothing, they even don't finish recruting people. Game launch can't happen in near years.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteWolf21x
It's not a question of success/failure, its about license exclusivity. No way Amazon is going to share the license with SSG. I will bet you that the timing of the Amazon game's release correlates with the expiration of the license with SSG. Middle-Earth Enterprises (formerly Tolkien Enterprises, aka The Saul Zaentz Company) has been very aggressive with their licensing schemes in the past (read about the demise of Iron Crown Enterprises), wanting to maximize profits (even more so now with both JRR and Christopher Tolkien gone). Amazon is a big wealthy company, SSG is not. Amazon will pay big $$$ for an exclusive license, and SSG will lose out. It is inevitable.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteWolf21x
All that aside, we still have 2-3 years to play. That Amazon game won't be ready any time soon.
To which Star Wars games do you refer? SWG was Sony Online Entertainment, SWTOR was Bioware/EA. They are/were set in completely different eras (SWG between ANH and ESG, SWTOR in the Old Republic a few thousand years earlier). SWG shut down less than a week before the launch of SWTOR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elmagor
It's not about different eras, it's about LucasArts decision, also Star Wars exclusive license goes to Electronic Arts.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlacrityFitzhugh
See, what you say makes sense. However if that is the case, then why are there so many other LOTR games out there? There is a Gollum game from Daedalic in the pipeline for a 2021 release, so Amazon can’t have the exclusive license to the IP if that game is coming out at the same time. Surely they’d have to shut all the other games down too, or at the very least buy them all out, in order to do that? And if MEE want to maximise profits, then wouldn’t they want every possible profit-making revenue stream running? LOTRO must be making some kind of profit, or they wouldn’t still be going this long.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlacrityFitzhugh
(Edit: Amazon’s game might have a negative impact on the LOTRO population, but I doubt they would see LOTRO as much competition with its relatively small playerbase. If they get a million players, LOTRO’s twenty thousand or whatever (no idea what the numbers are of course) aren’t going to make a lot of difference. If the Amazon game is going to be a success or failure, it will not depend on the existence of LOTRO, that’s for sure.)
Maybe they will buy LOTRO out, who knows. I just hope they don’t, because for all it’s faults, this game really does do Middle Earth justice and it would be a mighty shame to see it close down.
There are several different video game licenses. According to the MEE License page EA, Warner Brothers, Daedalic, SSG, Athlon all have game licenses. So I guess MEE is just handing license out to anyone with a idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheArtilleryman
Edit: From what I can remember. EA had a games license in the early 2000's. Warner Brothers then got it late 2000's and still has it (Shadow of War games.) Turbine has a MMO license and got bought out by WB so that WB would have all of the licenses under one roof. Then SSG split off of WB and still has the MMO License. Athlon also has a MMO license while who knows what Daedalic has. So my guess would be that MEE is just being more open with licenses.
The only reason I say its about success/failure is that there is no way MEE gives up Lotro (currently a guaranteed source of income) for Amazons MMO (currently a unknown) unless they are 100% certain Amazons MMO will be a hit. And Amazon Games doesn't have the greatest track record so there is a greater chance of their game not releasing over being a hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlacrityFitzhugh
So unless Amazon shells out 50-100mill upfront (which would put even more pressure for their game to succeed.) Then I don't see MEE giving them exclusive rights until they can prove that their game can maintain a stable player base/income.
And going by the MEE Licensees page, Amazon doesn't even have the license, Athlon does. Amazon is just co-developing it. So who knows what will happen.
From what I remember, SSG get license after split with Turbine and renew it. And after first news in 2019, developers say what they don't have any problems renew it againQuote:
Originally Posted by WhiteWolf21x
New MMO or not, people have been predicting LotRO would lose its license and be shut down since the very first renewal in 2014. Please ignore these people. Forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlacrityFitzhugh
Also, there was chatter on my server last week about the new Amazon show and MMO, and several people said there was a recent confirmation that the MMO will be set in the Second Age like the show. As far as I've been able to find, there is no official information saying that anywhere. Has anyone else seen it?
Info from game site, but no any new info for monthsQuote:
Originally Posted by gildhur
From what I could tell, originally people though 2nd age to go along with the show. But since then I've heard that Amazon/Athlon have the same license as SSG and that the game will be based on the trilogy. Just look at the licenses. The TV show license is from Tolkien Estate itself. The MMO license is from Middle Earth Enterprises which only have Trilogy + Hobbit stuff. So its currently looking more like a 3rd Age setting instead of a 2nd Age one.Quote:
Originally Posted by gildhur
As far as we know everything is just rumors now, much like the Amazon TV series, articles kept saying young aragorn, till we got official info from Amazon themselves that be second age story, so unless its official source anything about the new MMO is rumors
what do know is the TV series and MMO are unrelated that was stated on the official Amazon Games site. But its good to speculate and guess what the new MMO could be and timeline its set in. :)
http://www.athlongames.com/athlon-ga...h-enterprises/ - they never say 2nd age, but left hints about itQuote:
Originally Posted by Pontin_Finnberry
Yeah i remember that, was just saying the fact its unrelated to the TV series, Second Age is huge and covers a lot of time so MMO can still be in SA and not be same time as TV series. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Elmagor
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ne.../1100-6475590/ - last news. Still no release date set, they still hiring people. They working on other MMO too (more ready), what delayed from april 2020 to august 2020. Also they confirms again what new game will be released on new consoles too
I saw this last week. The YouTube video is impressive. The article says the demo was pitched back in 2009.
"Traveller's Tales, the game studio behind numerous LEGO titles, spent $1 million on a Lord of the Rings game pitch that never released, according to the studio's founder, Jon Burton. Burton revealed new details and gameplay for the Lord of the Rings game over on his YouTube channel, GameHut, and even for a title on the Xbox 360 and PS3, it looks incredibly impressive."
https://gamerant.com/lego-game-studi...d-rings-pitch/
We spent over $1,000,000 pitching a videogame we never made https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grwnHJykybM
Full Level Gameplay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQxfx29i8x8
Gandalf VS Balrog fight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIm-Wd0jYlM
I saw this too was interesting, but this has nothing to do with Amazon's MMO just so others know.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldsneakers