Hidden Nuggets we see all the time...

[gildhur]

I have another small question for the lore-guys

Was Goblin Town ever inhabited by dwarves? because i saw some dwarvish wall desings in the game

It's not official lore, but as the Goblin-town in the game is basically a mine, it's hard to believe dwarves not being there at some point in the past. And in the game there are indeed dwarf ruins in one or two areas of the dungeon.

[TheScyphozoa]

A hidden thing that I wouldn't call a nugget:

That very, very subtle, yet quite creepy whistling coming from nowhere.

who, who-WHOO who, who-WHOO who who. who who. who, who-WHOO who, who-WHOO who who.

I started hearing it around the Steps of Gram mostly. Really creeped me out. I still hear it in the Old Forest from time to time when the background music pauses between tracks.

[Adder]

A hidden thing that I wouldn't call a nugget:

That very, very subtle, yet quite creepy whistling coming from nowhere.

who, who-WHOO who, who-WHOO who who. who who. who, who-WHOO who, who-WHOO who who.

I started hearing it around the Steps of Gram mostly. Really creeped me out. I still hear it in the Old Forest from time to time when the background music pauses between tracks.

LOL I think I've heard that but never really paid any attention to it. Now I'm gonna hafta listen just to see if ya got the cadence right.

[Belwin]

It's not official lore, but as the Goblin-town in the game is basically a mine, it's hard to believe dwarves not being there at some point in the past. And in the game there are indeed dwarf ruins in one or two areas of the dungeon.

i think they we're used as a mine at one point, because there is a deed ingame, where if u complete it, you go over the red circles in it and it tells a bit of a story, unles the Devs have made that up, but it talks about thedwarves being trapped in there and overrun, if my memory serves correctly not 100% sure tho

[Sylux14]

Not lore related (I think), but there happens to be a set of twins in every instance in Shadows of Angmar (With the possible exception of Carn Dûm) (I'm referring specifically to The Great Barrow, Garth Agarwen, Fornost, Urugarth, Carn Dûm, Barad Gúlaran, Helegrod, and The Rift of Nûrz Ghâshu)

[gildhur]

Not lore related (I think), but there happens to be a set of twins in every instance in Shadows of Angmar (With the possible exception of Carn Dûm) (I'm referring specifically to The Great Barrow, Garth Agarwen, Fornost, Urugarth, Carn Dûm, Barad Gúlaran, Helegrod, and The Rift of Nûrz Ghâshu)

GB, yes. The wights with the 2nd key fragment.

GA, yes. Twin wight bosses. The Red Maid herself is also a "twin" of sorts to someone.

Fornost? Can't think of any twins there.

Urugarth? All single bosses with adds.

CD? Mormoz and Azgoth? Both batchicks, but not exactly twins.

BG? Can't think of any there. Four named sorceresses, Forvy, Wisdan, and Udunion.

Helegrod? Newp. Four Angmarim, Defender, Storvagun, Zaudru, Drugoth, and Thorog. No twins.

Rift, yes. Shadow Twins. [Jingle Jangle]!

[Iavas87]

Not lore related (I think), but there happens to be a set of twins in every instance in Shadows of Angmar (With the possible exception of Carn Dûm) (I'm referring specifically to The Great Barrow, Garth Agarwen, Fornost, Urugarth, Carn Dûm, Barad Gúlaran, Helegrod, and The Rift of Nûrz Ghâshu)

Well, Tolkein certainly had a thing for twins.

...

No, not in that way. He just tended to have twins fated for some great doom or another. Take, for instance:
The Ambarussa (Amrod and Amras), one of whom was burned with the ships at Losgar.
Eluréd and Elurín (brothers of Elwing), both of whom were left to die in the forest by Celegorm and sought in vain by Maedhros.
Elrond and Elros, one of whom became the first king of Númenor and the other became one of the Wise during the Third Age.

So, it certainly fits the lore to a point.

[Sylux14]

GB, yes. The wights with the 2nd key fragment.

GA, yes. Twin wight bosses. The Red Maid herself is also a "twin" of sorts to someone.

Fornost? Can't think of any twins there.

Urugarth? All single bosses with adds.

CD? Mormoz and Azgoth? Both batchicks, but not exactly twins.

BG? Can't think of any there. Four named sorceresses, Forvy, Wisdan, and Udunion.

Helegrod? Newp. Four Angmarim, Defender, Storvagun, Zaudru, Drugoth, and Thorog. No twins.

Rift, yes. Shadow Twins. [Jingle Jangle]!

BG: I was considering the two elite sorceresses twins
Urugarth: There is a pair of named Uruk bosses AND a pair of named troll bosses, both pairs are only elites, but they count for the bosses deed
Helegrod: The Angmarim aren't exactly twins, but I consider them two sets of twins (and if that doesn't work, Elladan and Elrohir are twins and one of them gives a quest involving Helegrod, so there!)
Fornost: Two EM Uruks: Shîruk and Kamdori


I win


EDIT: and like I said, I wasn't sure about CD

[gildhur]

BG: I was considering the two elite sorceresses twins
Urugarth: There is a pair of named Uruk bosses AND a pair of named troll bosses, both pairs are only elites, but they count for the bosses deed
Helegrod: The Angmarim aren't exactly twins, but I consider them two sets of twins (and if that doesn't work, Elladan and Elrohir are twins and one of them gives a quest involving Helegrod, so there!)
Fornost: Two EM Uruks: Shîruk and Kamdori


I win

Just a disagreement on terms.

[Doronlas]

BG: I was considering the two elite sorceresses twins
Urugarth: There is a pair of named Uruk bosses AND a pair of named troll bosses, both pairs are only elites, but they count for the bosses deed
Helegrod: The Angmarim aren't exactly twins, but I consider them two sets of twins (and if that doesn't work, Elladan and Elrohir are twins and one of them gives a quest involving Helegrod, so there!)
Fornost: Two EM Uruks: Shîruk and Kamdori


I win


EDIT: and like I said, I wasn't sure about CD

And in Hele, in the drake area at the end - 2 worms (Burzgost and Burzdyr) and 2 drakes (Praunk-goj and Remgoj). Those could count as pairs dunno about twins :P

[Lohi]

Fornost? Can't think of any twins there.

Shiruk and Kamordi, two goblins who stand next to each other. They don't seem to have any loot or quest associated with them. Not sure if players call them "the twins" (like they do in GB/GA) since they're usually ignored and left alone.

[TheScyphozoa]

Well, Tolkein certainly had a thing for twins.

Ah, the power of context removal.

[Adder]

For a really sweet Nugget and some really good detective work to decipher it's meaning, take a look at this thread over in the J.R.R.Tolkien forums - Sauron in fair form?

[Sylux14]

A piece of paper used to solve a Moria instance has the 'time' riddle from The Hobbit with the EXACT wording from The Hobbit

[TheScyphozoa]

This is the book that the LM trainer in Intro Archet is holding.

I don't know what it is, but it looks cool.

[sir-rinthian]

Its sad that at that close of a view the guys hand hardly looks like a hand, yet the book which is far less noticeable has near perfect detail

Also not very lore related, (sorry if someone mention this - didnt have time to read through over 50 pages ) The crazy Hobbit Farmer up on the southern mountains that surround Dol Dinen. Gotta love those squirels hes got

BTW if someone can PM me with lessons on posting screenshots, I'll stick one up here so you can see him

[Belwin]

a cool thing i found, is near 7.2S, 111.5W in moria, its a drawing on a wall showing the part of The Hobbit where the dwarves, Gandalf, and Bilbo escape from the goblins and wolves with the help of the eagles, its pretty sweet

will post a screenshot in a minute

[Belwin]

here it is its bigger on website tho

[Shilling]

Funny thing is, that's actually a mural they had (still there I hope?) in Goblin town. There's a second one depicting some kind of battle in what looks like a mountain pass that I've seen both in Goblin Town and now in Moria as well. Not sure what battle it's representing (my geek-peen = small ) but I'd love to know if anyone has any theories.

[ETSubmariner]

Funny thing is, that's actually a mural they had (still there I hope?) in Goblin town. There's a second one depicting some kind of battle in what looks like a mountain pass that I've seen both in Goblin Town and now in Moria as well. Not sure what battle it's representing (my geek-peen = small ) but I'd love to know if anyone has any theories.

I think the one you are referring to is in the goblins' den in the Silvertine? That one appears to me to be the fleeing of Khazad-dum by the Dwarves. Of course, it wasn't instantly, Oh look a Balrog, flee from the city! It was a long course of events over a long while, but to goblins it would be Dwarves fleeing, dying and otherwise making fools of themselves in fairly short order.

Anyone else know specifics?

[Arasilion]

It's almost certainly depicting the Fall of Moria, with the significantly larger goblin in the mural being Azog.

[koifishkid]

Two nuggets I liked recently:

Red, red wiiiiiiiine:


And this, from an inn in the Shire:

[JobimCerce]

This is the book that the LM trainer in Intro Archet is holding.

I don't know what it is, but it looks cool.

I am 99% sure that this is the frontpiece from the book "Tree and Leaf" and/or the story "Leaf by Niggle." I don't have an early version of the book "Tree and Leaf" to confirm this, but I can almost make out the words and the picture certaintly looks possible. "Leaf by Niggle" is an semi-allegorical story that captures the philosophy behind Tolkien's creation of Middle-earth. What started as an early hobby to create a fictional Elven language (the leaf) developed into a whole world narrative (the tree). Tolkien's Middle-earth was more than a fiction to him, it had a kind of independent life, it was, what he called, a "sub-creation."

Incidentally, Houghton Miflin just released a single volume ("Tales from the Perlilous Realm") that includes some of Tolkien's other, non-Middle-earth stories. This book includes the story, "Leaf by Niggle." None of these stories are previously unpublished. In fact, for less money, you could buy "The Tolkien Reader" and other paperbacks and get the same tales, but the "new" book is a nice hard-cover compilation. It doesn't include the picture in question, though.

[Tuor_Elendil15432]

I'm sure someone's mentioned this before (I just recently found this thread and read the first twelve pages before deciding to just skip to the last page), but a lore nugget that I liked was the mention of Ancalagon, the dragon of Morgoth from the Silmarillion, in one of the riddles about drakes or worms for that salamander quest in Evendim. I know someone who had a lot of trouble with that one because he didn't recognize the reference, but I caught it as soon as I read it. Although I didn't immediately remember whether it was a drake or worm. I think it was a flying one, because it ended up crushing an entire mountain range when it was killed if I remember correctly.

Anyway, this has been a fun thread to read, and I hope to find more of these hidden nuggets in the game.

[Berephon]

I'm sure someone's mentioned this before (I just recently found this thread and read the first twelve pages before deciding to just skip to the last page), but a lore nugget that I liked was the mention of Ancalagon, the dragon of Morgoth from the Silmarillion, in one of the riddles about drakes or worms for that salamander quest in Evendim. I know someone who had a lot of trouble with that one because he didn't recognize the reference, but I caught it as soon as I read it. Although I didn't immediately remember whether it was a drake or worm. I think it was a flying one, because it ended up crushing an entire mountain range when it was killed if I remember correctly.

Anyway, this has been a fun thread to read, and I hope to find more of these hidden nuggets in the game.

I should note that our reference was drawn from LotR, not the Sil, in case anyone gets too excited.