Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchase?!

[Unique]

Sapience please get Turbine to change their mind with Bag six, and have it made part of RoR, not just pre-order.
I have been VIP for years shelling out $9.99 a month. I love the game but it's unfair to make me have to pay for it.

What difference would it make if it was part of RoR or just part of the Pre-order? It's not like VIP's get it free, and all they would do is raise the TP cost of RoR to compensate so all it would accomplish is that you pay more TP for RoR and others lose the chance to get the bag as a free bonus.

Putting it in the actual expansion would cost them sales of the 6th bag from new players that want another bag but who are no where near RoR and don't want to shell out that much TP.

It was always intended that everyone buys expansions.......even VIP's so it is fair to make you have to pay for it. Expansions are not a perk of VIP, but if you save all your stipends you can make it free-sort of.

Putting it in as a pre-order bonus then in the store afterwards (hopefully with a per character/per account option, or just per account) is the best course. Of course free would be better but they have to run a business so this is what we have.

And before you go........well she's lifetime and doesn't understand. I am not financially able to pre-order for either of my 2 accounts and I don't see that changing so I won't be getting the 6th bag I want badly for a very long time, but I still agree with how they are doing it because so many others will benefit from it.

[Puppers]

I agree with Hex...I'm very happy to be getting a sixth bag. I will be pre-ordering RoR regardless of whether there's a sixth bag or not, so for me...it's a big bonus! Thank you Turbine.

[Moejo]

"Turbine, we want more storage!"

Bag six in works:

"Turbine, we don't want to pay for it!"
"I don't like pre-orders. Sell it Nao in the store!"
"The store is evil! How do I get the bag without using the store if I don't pre-order?"
"Bag is clearly an advantage. They LIED! NO ADVANTAGE IN THE STORE!"
"I'm still waiting for 'x' and they make a BAG? *scoff*"
"Bag = Bug. Fix old bugs first."
"Bag is confusing. Clarify bag or die."
"They confuse us intentionally because they're greedy. Confusion = money!"
"I bet they're lying about the confusion. They lie and lie and lie"

Taking a look waayyyyy back into the horses mouth (notice I didn't say gift because it's not free) is en vouge these days...

They gave us another bag! We asked for it and they did it! No one is happy about this? Are we all insane? I don't care if I have to send them blood and $500, I want dat bag!!!!

While your pricing may be a bit on the high side for my tastes, your logic is sound. People want more bag space, it looks like they are making more bag space, what's to complain about?

[enginekid]

Putting it in the actual expansion would cost them sales of the 6th bag from new players that want another bag but who are no where near RoR and don't want to shell out that much TP.

No, no, no!! Hehe

You don't understand. I think the infamous 6th Bag should be **free** to all players.

You see, regardless of whether you spend $120 a year on subbing, or you spend little to no money, I believe the 6th Bag is actually required now for this ever expanding game.

As time has gone on, this game has grown so big, that all my characters inventories are constantly full. It's true that we tend to fill up any new space we get regardless, but the thing to me is, with every new zone, and every new Reputation Faction, and every other new thing out there (eg. growing numbers of cosmetics, and housing decorations), it's inevitable that the basic space our characters have access to should also be expanded to compensate.

That's why I think the 6th Bag could simply come with RoR as part and parcel of the expanding game.

[Annariel]

No, no, no!! Hehe

You don't understand. I think the infamous 6th Bag should be **free** to all players.

You see, regardless of whether you spend $120 a year on subbing, or you spend little to no money, I believe the 6th Bag is actually required now for this ever expanding game.

As time has gone on, this game has grown so big, that all my characters inventories are constantly full. It's true that we tend to fill up any new space we get regardless, but the thing to me is, with every new zone, and every new Reputation Faction, and every other new thing out there (eg. growing numbers of cosmetics, and housing decorations), it's inevitable that the basic space our characters have access to should also be expanded to compensate.

That's why I think the 6th Bag could simply come with RoR as part and parcel of the expanding game.

Much as I'll enjoy the 6th bag, I don't think this is quite fair. We've seen at least three changes made to free up inventory space: crafting recipe scroll boxes (which are more likely to stack than individual recipes), the premium wallet and the conversion of rep items into consumables. (No need to ever have more than one slot for rep items again; if you consume them immediately, you can use that single slot for several items taken off of the same mob. Takes time, but it's doable.) Taking all that into account, I don't think we need the bag now more than ever; it's always been very desirable and it still is.

[Cindir]

What difference would it make if it was part of RoR or just part of the Pre-order? It's not like VIP's get it free, and all they would do is raise the TP cost of RoR to compensate so all it would accomplish is that you pay more TP for RoR and others lose the chance to get the bag as a free bonus.
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The huge difference is that under one system, everyone who buys the expansion gets the extra bag. Seems pretty fair. It is included with the expansion.

Under the other system, you pay monthly for VIP, you pay a lot to buy the expansion, and then you still have to spend a lot of TP to buy the bags. You may even have to take out your credit card and buy extra TP to afford this, depending on the TP cost and if it is per character. Engine's point is (I think), why not make this basic game feature available to everyone - or at least to VIPs who are paying each month for the game.

[redwoodtreesprite]

We've seen at least three changes made to free up inventory space: crafting recipe scroll boxes (which are more likely to stack than individual recipes), the premium wallet and the conversion of rep items into consumables. (No need to ever have more than one slot for rep items again; if you consume them immediately, you can use that single slot for several items taken off of the same mob.

But the scroll cases can get bugged in an update, resulting in mass deletion of recipes. I used to keep my recipes that were higher tier than my crafter in their cases until time to open them. But with the recent mass deletion of ALL cook scroll cases below supreme, I don't trust the scroll cases anymore.

The wallet has to be bought, does it not? Though I still can't figure out where it is in the TP store yet.

The rep items, yes I am most happy about that change. Though I wish there was a way to choose to select a whole stack. Those 30 rep items take FOREVER to go through...

[Cindir]

I am beginning to think that there are two camps here:
1) people who think Turbine are nickle and diming - and who have limited money to spend.
2) people who have those shiny powerful computers and who could not care less if Turbine charges a lot of extra TP on top of a sub fee for a basic game feature like a bag. These people don't mind at all to pay in advance for RoR.

My evidence:

They gave us another bag! We asked for it and they did it! ...
I don't care if I have to send them blood and $500, I want dat bag!!!!

Hex, I know - it was a joke. Still, mighty different perspective if you have plenty of money to spend on entertainment, or do not have it.

[Jadzi]

I am beginning to think that there are two camps here:
1) people who think Turbine are nickle and diming - and who have limited money to spend.
2) people who have those shiny powerful computers and who could not care less if Turbine charges a lot of extra TP on top of a sub fee for a basic game feature like a bag. These people don't mind at all to pay in advance for RoR.

My evidence:

Hex, I know - it was a joke. Still, mighty different perspective if you have plenty of money to spend on entertainment, or do not have it.

Oh yes, we elites with vast disposable incomes and big shiny rigs of computers! Let me tell you, I had to construct my machine piece by piece from only the finest components on the market. I gave motherboards the squeezy-freshness test and swished coolant around to pick out the one with just the right bouquet. Artisan components these are. Sure, the GTX 690 set me back a grand, but there's lots more where that came from! My machine is singing like electric Jesus, and I'm only too happy to toss hundreds of dollars at Turbine for a steady supply of TP and expansions. Life is good!


... yeah, not really. My machine is a four year old Gateway. About the only upgrades the current one's had were changing from Vista to Windows 7 (which was only $30 thanks to an early promotion), a RAM chip, and a replacement video card after the original conked out last year. It does fairly well, but I'd hardly call it 'shiny'. Further, I don't buy TP. I get plenty for my wants from deeding and my lifer sub. And that lifer sub I saved up for, and finally got on holiday special in large part from Christmas gift funds. Past that, $30-50 once a year for an expansion? That's... really not that hard to save for. And the other nickle-and-diming? It's called self-control.

See, contrary to what you might think, those of us who don't sit here berating Turbine aren't some pool of secret employees, blind thralls, corpulent noblesse, or naive idiots. We're normal folks who... honestly just have a different viewpoint, a different outlook, and perhaps a bit more patience. That doesn't mean we're right any more than it means you're wrong, or vice versa. Different people just have different opinions.

It's easy to cast someone who seems to oppose you as somehow lacking in character or scruples, to brand them traitors or skulkers or attribute to them all manner of underhanded motivation. It's easy, and very very human. In fact...

In social psychology, the fundamental attribution error (also known as correspondence bias or attribution effect) describes the tendency to over-value dispositional or personality-based explanations for the observed behaviors of others while under-valuing situational explanations for those behaviors. The fundamental attribution error is most visible when people explain the behavior of others. It does not explain interpretations of one's own behavior—where situational factors are often taken into consideration. This discrepancy is called the actor–observer bias.

As a simple example, if Alice saw Bob trip over a rock and fall, Alice might consider Bob to be clumsy or careless (dispositional). If Alice tripped over the same rock herself, she would be more likely to blame the placement of the rock (situational).

The simple fact is, people disagree. There are as many viewpoints and perspectives as there are people to have them, and while many may fall into a rough alignment, they aren't just a homogenous crowd that agree on everything. No matter how certain you may feel that the people on the 'other team' are somehow base or ill-intentioned or out of touch, you would do well to remember that they are people too. Not mindless orcs and goblins sent here to oppose you, not conniving wizards or corrupt despots looking down from ivory towers. People. With opinions.

[enginekid88]

Much as I'll enjoy the 6th bag, I don't think this is quite fair. We've seen at least three changes made to free up inventory space: crafting recipe scroll boxes (which are more likely to stack than individual recipes), the premium wallet and the conversion of rep items into consumables. (No need to ever have more than one slot for rep items again; if you consume them immediately, you can use that single slot for several items taken off of the same mob. Takes time, but it's doable.) Taking all that into account, I don't think we need the bag now more than ever; it's always been very desirable and it still is.

I can't tell if you are agreeing it should come as part of RoR or if you think it should cost extra. Remember we already were forced to buy the wallet.

[ShireDweller]

I'm just going to restate what I've already said. We'll have more details about the extra bag soon. Beyond that I'm only going to say that some of you have hit it quite firmly on the head.

And now I'll try to help recycle some tinfoill. The current UI slot for the bag was.... a boo boo. Yep. Sorry guys it's not a nefarious plot or evil scheme it was an honest to goodness error. We first caught it literally as it was about to go live on Bullroarer. We had two options; revert everything, delay the update a good week with no other work being done other than reverting the UI, or...stick a tooltip on it that stated what it was for. We went with option 2. And since we knew that a tooltip like that was going to open up a lot of questions, we decided to clarify it in the release notes.

Also, as for the level 90 doors. We had intended to make 0 content interiors in those locations. It was bugged when we went live and so level 90 restrictions were placed on them. Again, easy and quicker than ripping them back out. Instead of just fixing them for the next release, the person responsible thought players would like a fun little quest instead of just interesting, content-less, interiors. So there was never anything to promote. It was a little bit of spontaneous bonus content thrown in for fun.

Thanks for the info!

Just to toss an idea out there - how about a mash-up? Turn bag 6 into a Bag w/free Turtle House Pet enclosed! There's more than enough of those little guys scurrying around now to let us all have one.

[Cindir]

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The simple fact is, people disagree. There are as many viewpoints and perspectives as there are people to have them, and while many may fall into a rough alignment, they aren't just a homogenous crowd that agree on everything. No matter how certain you may feel that the people on the 'other team' are somehow base or ill-intentioned or out of touch, you would do well to remember that they are people too. Not mindless orcs and goblins sent here to oppose you, not conniving wizards or corrupt despots looking down from ivory towers. People. With opinions.

Whoa there ... I wasn't putting people into groups, or saying that *you* personally anything. Your posts acts as if there are in fact two groups - supporters and criticizers. I agree - lots of people all with different points of views. I was just saying, someone who has more money to spend may mind less if they have to "buy" more from Turbine - like the bag.

This is pretty naive: "$30-50 once a year for an expansion? That's... really not that hard to save for." unless you think everyone here is from middle class America. Sure if you have a job, or no debt, then this is true. To some people, a one time expense of $30-$50 is a lot. Also, please note I never said anyone was "out of touch" or "ill-intentioned". Please just look at what I actually said - and not read anything in to it.

[Unique]

The huge difference is that under one system, everyone who buys the expansion gets the extra bag. Seems pretty fair. It is included with the expansion.

Are you saying that if they included it in the expansion they wouldn't raise the price of the expansion to cover the lost store sales? You're being naive if you think they wouldn't.

I am beginning to think that there are two camps here:
1) people who think Turbine are nickle and diming - and who have limited money to spend.
2) people who have those shiny powerful computers and who could not care less if Turbine charges a lot of extra TP on top of a sub fee for a basic game feature like a bag. These people don't mind at all to pay in advance for RoR.

I have no money to spend, I don't think they are nickle and diming us (as Jadzi said, it takes self control to resist optional things) and I have an old computer to play on. I don't fit into your categories but my common sense says they need to make money to continue the game and this is one of those "extra" things they now sell.
Before F2P it would have been free if they allotted any dev time to it which is unlikely. If the game had stayed strictly subscription we wouldn't have seen many of the enhancements we have now for the simple fact that it didn't make business sense to spend time developing them when they wouldn't make them money. Like it or not this is the game now, you have to make your choices from what's in front of you now, not what was or what you wish it were.

See, contrary to what you might think, those of us who don't sit here berating Turbine aren't some pool of secret employees, blind thralls, corpulent noblesse, or naive idiots. We're normal folks who... honestly just have a different viewpoint, a different outlook, and perhaps a bit more patience. That doesn't mean we're right any more than it means you're wrong, or vice versa. Different people just have different opinions.

Exactly

[enginekid]

Are you saying that if they included it in the expansion they wouldn't raise the price of the expansion to cover the lost store sales? You're being naive if you think they wouldn't.

Naive? That can be countered with you are being paranoid. If the bag is "supposed" to come with the expansion their is no reason why they would charge more than usual for RoR. Unless you have some inside info of otherwise.

[Mandella]

Right. Turbine went to a microtransaction model, and this is a microtransaction. I fully expect to pay for any and all new game elements now, and am pleasantly surprised when something is thrown in for "free" (included with the basic sub, whatever).

Using a bag to tempt folks to pre-order is fine by me. Would have pre-ordered anyway, since I'm still playing. And when it just isn't fun anymore (for whatever reason, be it too many in-game advertisements in my face, to boring gameplay), I still won't mind, since I'll be other places playing other games.

In short, if you're not used to the "new" F2P model by now, you're never going to be....

[Unique]

Naive? That can be countered with you are being paranoid. If the bag is "supposed" to come with the expansion their is no reason why they would charge more than usual for RoR. Unless you have some inside info of otherwise.

Yes, I do have info to the contrary, we all do, they already said it will be part of the pre purchase of RoR, you are making up the part about "the bag is 'supposed' to come with the expansion" because you want it for free.

As for being realistic (what you call paranoid), we aren't going to get the bag for free (with the exception of pre-ordering the package it's included in), we don't get shared storage free, we don't get the last few vault bags free, we don't get the wallet free, we don't get extra milestones free, we don't get extra LI slots free...........see a pattern here. This is the "extra" stuff that they are selling and that's keeping the game going, none of these things are vital to game, they are optional, very nice but optional.

[enginekid]

Yes, I do have info to the contrary, we all do, they already said it will be part of the pre purchase of RoR, you are making up the part about "the bag is 'supposed' to come with the expansion" because you want it for free.

As for being realistic (what you call paranoid), we aren't going to get the bag for free (with the exception of pre-ordering the package it's included in), we don't get shared storage free, we don't get the last few vault bags free, we don't get the wallet free, we don't get extra milestones free, we don't get extra LI slots free...........see a pattern here. This is the "extra" stuff that they are selling and that's keeping the game going, none of these things are vital to game, they are optional, very nice but optional.

You want to pay extra for it, and would rather it not simply come with RoR? OK, np.

[NickStern]

You want to pay extra for it, and would rather it not simply come with RoR? OK, np.

It does not come with RoR....what part of that do you not understand.

It is a special freebie for pre ordering RoR..... Like the cloak that came with RoI.
It will be available in store afterwards for TP Probably around 1000 just like the
Premium wallet that is very nice but not game breaking to not have it.

[whheydt]

Remember we already were forced to buy the wallet.

Really? Forced? Did someone hold a gun to your head and tell you, "Buy the wallet or die"?

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

[Eartholloth]

Really? Forced? Did someone hold a gun to your head and tell you, "Buy the wallet or die"?

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

People like to misuse that word allot on these forums. Noone is forcing you to buy anything. You have a CHOICE to spend money on this game or not.

[Ayrolen]

The rep items, yes I am most happy about that change. Though I wish there was a way to choose to select a whole stack. Those 30 rep items take FOREVER to go through...

Alt+Left click, then U U U U U U U U U U U U U U U...etc.

[enginekid]

Really? Forced? Did someone hold a gun to your head and tell you, "Buy the wallet or die"?

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

You are a strange man. If you want it, you are forced to pay.

Is this some subtle flaming over improper use of grammar?

[enginekid]

It does not come with RoR....what part of that do you not understand.

Try reading through our posts first. I said, I WANT IT TO COME WITH ROR.

Apparently I am the only one who wants it to be freely added to RoR...?

This place is like the twilight zone.

[Nymphonic]

Making fun of your customers gets you no where. Unbelievable. Being trolled by Mods.

Sapience has been with us for a long time and he enjoys interacting with the forum members. Everyone knows that he takes his job very seriously. And everyone knows that he isn't allowed to talk about a lot of things.

For example it was never confirmed that Sapience is not Patience! We still give him hell about that after all these years.

[Nymphonic]

This place is like the twilight zone.

Great. Now I have the theme song in my head. The originals were the best. My favorite was with William Shatner seeing that weird monster on the airplane wing.