Forced emotes - worse than ever

[Dworin]

I appreciate Role-Playing completely, since I did so in a room for many years with several other idiots in my D&D years. However it should be either RP server only or not at all, since on none RP servers this is awesome fun and we wouldn't want such inane idiocy as to complain about emoting a band, to stop our fun there.
Just an opinion of course.

I suspect there are people on your server who don't like being force emoted.

[Anwiga]

The difference with that scenario is one I have spoken of several times in the past: Action/reaction. Who initiated the action in your scenario? Anwiga. All Rye did was react to what Anwiga did. No hypocrisy involved. Rye does not mind one whit if Anwiga finishes the deed. Just don't do it using Rye as your target dummy.

Anwiga?! Anwiga is guilty of nothing!
I've never once had anyone say something to me about emotes. Never once had anyone tell me I'm griefing them. Never once had anyone ask me to stop using emotes!
It is only because LoTRO takes so long to load that I browse the forums and find out things like this (that people don't like emotes). Therefore, Anwiga is reacting to Rye's clone and not the other way around!

In keeping to the narrative, Rye's clone gets into a violent reaction when he sees an emote and Anwiga knows this (without any prior experience, just from word of mouth). In order to avoid such a thing, she is very cautious about the emotes she has. She meets over a dozen people every festival and event that don't care about emotes, and she knows they are cautious of using emotes on Rye clones too. So they hang out during events, because they have nothing else in common, and quest and emote each other. No harm done to Rye Clones, no harm done to Anwiga or her Festival Friends. So why are you being so defensive?

[dniv14]

I think the root of the problem here is that the average player doesn't like to see *his (or her) character* controlled by *someone else*. And that's why forced emotes were a stupid idea to begin with.

I usually have a pretty good idea of when I want to /dance and when I don't. So why should some random minstrel passing by be able to decide that for me? Similarly, I like to figure out for myself whom I want to /kneel to. Why should I be forced to kneel by some captain I don't even know? If I decide that my RP persona smells something bad, or has been given a sufficiently hard sock in the jaw, I am perfectly capable of making my own toon /faint. Why should someone else be able to knock me to the ground for 3 seconds against my will?

The fact that it is even *possible* to force someone else's avatar to perform an action is ridiculous. That's why forced emotes should, in my opinion, be removed entirely from the game. An opt-out is the second-best solution -- if Turbine absolutely feels the need to give players these extraordinary psychic powers to control others, I won't be able to change that and neither will any other member of the playerbase. But the fact is, these skills and consumables are a *bad idea* that only Morgoth could have thought of. Actively encouraging people to use said skills and consumables through deeds is even worse.

I'm just hoping that, sooner or later, a dev will have the courage to come out and say that it was all a big mistake.

[Summer_Beor]

I think the root of the problem here is that the average player doesn't like to see *his (or her) character* controlled by *someone else*. And that's why forced emotes were a stupid idea to begin with.

I usually have a pretty good idea of when I want to /dance and when I don't. So why should some random minstrel passing by be able to decide that for me? Similarly, I like to figure out for myself whom I want to /kneel to. Why should I be forced to kneel by some captain I don't even know? If I decide that my RP persona smells something bad, or has been given a sufficiently hard sock in the jaw, I am perfectly capable of making my own toon /faint. Why should someone else be able to knock me to the ground for 3 seconds against my will?

The fact that it is even *possible* to force someone else's avatar to perform an action is ridiculous. That's why forced emotes should, in my opinion, be removed entirely from the game. An opt-out is the second-best solution -- if Turbine absolutely feels the need to give players these extraordinary psychic powers to control others, I won't be able to change that and neither will any other member of the playerbase. But the fact is, these skills and consumables are a *bad idea* that only Morgoth could have thought of. Actively encouraging people to use said skills and consumables through deeds is even worse.

I'm just hoping that, sooner or later, a dev will have the courage to come out and say that it was all a big mistake.

Amen.

[Dworin]

Anwiga?! Anwiga is guilty of nothing!
I've never once had anyone say something to me about emotes. Never once had anyone tell me I'm griefing them. Never once had anyone ask me to stop using emotes!
It is only because LoTRO takes so long to load that I browse the forums and find out things like this (that people don't like emotes). Therefore, Anwiga is reacting to Rye's clone and not the other way around!

In keeping to the narrative, Rye's clone gets into a violent reaction when he sees an emote and Anwiga knows this (without any prior experience, just from word of mouth). In order to avoid such a thing, she is very cautious about the emotes she has. She meets over a dozen people every festival and event that don't care about emotes, and she knows they are cautious of using emotes on Rye clones too. So they hang out during events, because they have nothing else in common, and quest and emote each other. No harm done to Rye Clones, no harm done to Anwiga or her Festival Friends. So why are you being so defensive?

And I have put people on ignore without saying a word to them. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. Nor does Rye (or me) go into violent tantrums, unless you consider a "Welcome to ignore, dolt" /tell to be violent.

I suspect part of the problem here is that English is not your native language. On the forums, I have no problem with you. The problem only comes up in-game, which is where the force emotes are used. In the game, Rye has no problem with Anwiga. Anwiga casting forced emotes among her friends and people who she knows don't care are of no concern to Rye. BUT. If Anwiga comes near Rye and casts a forced emote on Rye, only then does it become an action/reaction issue. If Anwiga's player doesn't want Rye's player to think she's a jerk. she should not cast the forced emote on Rye. If Anwiga runs by Rye without doing anything disruptive, then there is no problem.

I'm not the one being defensive.

[manstan]

I'd like to start by saying I don't hold grudges, I bare no one I'll will. But I would argue with God if I thought she was wrong

"I've never once had anyone say something to me about emotes. Never once had anyone tell me I'm griefing them. Never once had anyone ask me to stop using emotes!" Anwiga

I thought we had established most people wouldn't say anything. A lot of people agree saying anything in chat just turns you in to a target, so most people say nothing. Any one with any experience playing MMOs knows what happens if you ask a greifer to stop; not saying you're a greifer, it's a once bitten twice shy thing

"It is only because LoTRO takes so long to load that I browse the forums and find out things like this (that people don't like emotes)." Anwiga

LOTRO loads pretty fast for me, but my machine is built for comp graphics; as in CG art. I'm on the forum a lot because I have emphysema and I need to take frequent breaks. But that is neither here nor there.

"No harm done to Rye Clones, no harm done to Anwiga or her Festival Friends. So why are you being so defensive?" Anwiga

Because what you describe; and I love this term, is mutual emoting, not forced emoting.

I know I have said repeatedly if someone in game actual came up to my character and said "Hey, could you help me finish this deed"? If I wasn't busy, I probably would. But in all the times my character has been FEed no one has ever asked first. Most of the time it's just a sneak attack or an ambush.

I think it would be too funny if we had a verbal emote for just such occasions. I know everyone has heard the hobbit "how rude". Wish I had it for my hobbit characters lol

[SabrielofLorien]

Player music does not annoy people I support it 100%.

If the Turbine store would offer me something so I could Opt Out of these stupid emotes I would buy it.

SWTOR charged 10,000 credits for an opt-out that lasted one hour.

Im not sure how that would translate to LOTRO gold but maybe 1 gold for 1 hour opt-out or 399 TP for 1 hour.

They might make more money with opt-outs than with the /FEs.


btw: SWTOR made it so, if you were infected by the /FE without the antidote opt-out you automatically infected everyone around you about every hour or so. They created an unending need for antidote-opt outs. Must have been very lucrative. They still lost almost as many players as play lotro.

[Rawkan]

Player music does not annoy people I support it 100%.

Actually, player music can be really irritating, especially when you're trying to get immersed in the world and some guy stands there playing "poker face" on his lute.

[Amariel28]

Actually, player music can be really irritating, especially when you're trying to get immersed in the world and some guy stands there playing "poker face" on his lute.

Ahhh, but there is an option to turn down the volume on player music. So you can effectively mute it without involving other game sounds.

[manstan]

Actually, player music can be really irritating, especially when you're trying to get immersed in the world and some guy stands there playing "poker face" on his lute.

I usually play "paint it black" lol but I play just to amuse myself, if you don't like it you know what you can do?
turn it off.

If you haven't heard Jimi Hendrix's "wind cried Mary" on a lute, I think you're missing something.

[SalionOfBrothers]

I have an idea. Every time someone uses a forced emote on someone 10TP is removed from thier account and put into the emotees account. So if you are trading emotes with friends you break even. If you run around just emoting strangers, you pay them 10TP for that. That way the emotee at least gets something out of being an emote target dummy.

How does that sound to you?

[Luinomiel]

Copying my post from another thread...

Because that, in my opinion, would amount to extortion. I won't pay "protection money" to Turbine to prevent in-game abuse / harassment / griefing at the hands of other players using the tools Turbine provided them for free. It costs literally nothing to obtain these griefing tools apart from time. If Turbine then turns around and charges its customers real money (Turbine Points) in exchange for protection from those same griefing tools I'd view the game as a lost cause. I would uninstall without hesitation or reservation.

As would I. To me, that sort of solution would be worse than the ignoring of the issue that they are doing now.

[whheydt]

Anwiga?! Anwiga is guilty of nothing!
I've never once had anyone say something to me about emotes. Never once had anyone tell me I'm griefing them. Never once had anyone ask me to stop using emotes!

Various people have had or reported very bad experiences after asking someone not to force emote their character. There are players in the game that will take that as a invitation to deliberately use as many forced emotes as often as possible on that character...and to invite all their friends to do so as well. As a result, most people won't even mention it to someone who has thrown a forced emote on their character...though they may well immediately put that offending character on their ignore list. Part of the problem is that, by all accounts, the GMs WILL NOT take action against any for using forced emotes, no matter how egregiously it is done.

Thus, that no one has complained *to*you* for your actions does NOT mean that they don't have any objections. It may just mean that they have no reason to trust that you will react in a civil manner.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

[commodore1]

I have an idea. Every time someone uses a forced emote on someone 10TP is removed from thier account and put into the emotees account. So if you are trading emotes with friends you break even. If you run around just emoting strangers, you pay them 10TP for that. That way the emotee at least gets something out of being an emote target dummy.

How does that sound to you?

I like it but would change 1 thing. Only charge them 1 TP for every consumable, then 10 TP per use once they aquire it as a skill.

[Vhivi]

I usually have a pretty good idea of when I want to /dance and when I don't. So why should some random minstrel passing by be able to decide that for me? Similarly, I like to figure out for myself whom I want to /kneel to. Why should I be forced to kneel by some captain I don't even know? If I decide that my RP persona smells something bad, or has been given a sufficiently hard sock in the jaw, I am perfectly capable of making my own toon /faint. Why should someone else be able to knock me to the ground for 3 seconds against my will?

You know? From a role-playing perspective, that type of action has a name ... godmoding.

[maxjenius]

I have an idea. Every time someone uses a forced emote on someone 10TP is removed from thier account and put into the emotees account. So if you are trading emotes with friends you break even. If you run around just emoting strangers, you pay them 10TP for that. That way the emotee at least gets something out of being an emote target dummy. How does that sound to you?

Even worse than the "reflect" idea.

[SalionOfBrothers]

Even worse than the "reflect" idea.

Well I did not claim it was a good idea only an idea. I got bad ones by the dozens. Good ones, every ten years or so.

[Methoriel]

I have to disagree, if you put limitations on how you act in game then that's up to you. But how everyone else acts and what is acceptable is governed by Turbine.

This is ridiculous. In real life it's not against the law to fart in someone's face. But you don't do that because it's rude just like forced emotes are rude. End of story.

[Methoriel]

I have an idea. Every time someone uses a forced emote on someone 10TP is removed from thier account and put into the emotees account. So if you are trading emotes with friends you break even. If you run around just emoting strangers, you pay them 10TP for that. That way the emotee at least gets something out of being an emote target dummy.

How does that sound to you?

This is an excellent idea.

[Vhivi]

Even worse than the "reflect" idea.

Oh, you didn't like that idea? Great! That means it's an excellent idea! Come on, Turbine, now we have the authority verifying the veracity of a reflect for emotes

[Gaeralagos]

This issue has gotten to the point of being ridiculous indeed. Whenever I'm not actively roleplaying or riding around, I stay mounted since those freakish emotes cannot get to me up there in the same way. It doesn't hinder the griefer from casting the damn thing, but at least my character is sort of protected and cannot fall down to the ground or cower in fear for it.

It should not have to be like this. Why, oh why Turbine, do you give griefers tools to play with? Why can't I keep my character safe from these idiotic things?

I want an opt-out and I want it as soon as humanly possible.

[manstan]

This issue has gotten to the point of being ridiculous indeed. Whenever I'm not actively roleplaying or riding around, I stay mounted since those freakish emotes cannot get to me up there in the same way. It doesn't hinder the griefer from casting the damn thing, but at least my character is sort of protected and cannot fall down to the ground or cower in fear for it.

It should not have to be like this. Why, oh why Turbine, do you give griefers tools to play with? Why can't I keep my character safe from these idiotic things?

I want an opt-out and I want it as soon as humanly possible.

Yet.
Remember playing music used to be a protection too. That ended with the last update. There is an update tomorrow, maybe it will stop the invulnerability of being mounted. SLAP! and you fall off your horse to the ground and the horse, of coarse, vanishes. Now you are a wide open target for everyone with an emote ready to go. Let the bodies hit the floor.

This situation just steadily gets worse. What will turbine do when the only players left are too busy tossing emotes at each other to shop?

[Iorothiel]

Wait, I just realized something else earlier.

Nobody can ever mentor instruments to anyone else because it forces a /bow.

Just thought I'd bring that up, too.

Carry on with your arguing. Or start thread #9257289761. Either or. I'm sure I can find another facepalm bunny.

[manstan]

Wait, I just realized something else earlier.

Nobody can ever mentor instruments to anyone else because it forces a /bow.

Just thought I'd bring that up, too.

Carry on with your arguing. Or start thread #9257289761. Either or. I'm sure I can find another facepalm bunny.

Speaking of needing a face palm bunny.

[Iorothiel]

Speaking of needing a face palm bunny.

EVERYONE needs a facepalm bunny. There's no situation they are uncalled for.