Forced emotes - worse than ever

[Whart]

The crazy is strong in this thread.

Come on people, get a grip. Some of us are still hoping we might get a clear answer from Scary about the Bree stage before the thread gets locked.

[Dworin]

The crazy is strong in this thread.

Come on people, get a grip. Some of us are still hoping we might get a clear answer from Scary about the Bree stage before the thread gets locked.

Yes. We went there right away to see if it was serious business only to find that forcedemotes still work on players there. It was disappointing to say the least to find they still disrupt players.

[Abiyah]

Yes. We went there right away to see if it was serious business only to find that forcedemotes still work on players there. It was disappointing to say the least to find they still disrupt players.

We all know this is Turbine's way. It's why they rarely give advance notice of what they're going to do and when... and before any of you place the onus on player reaction, take a moment to consider that those reactions are usually justified. The real reason they don't give notice isn't us, it's their own realization that they can rarely meet their deadlines.

Sure, there's some craziness going on in this thread. It happens in almost every thread that is about something a large group of people feel strongly about. It can be filtered and ignored, and if the CMs use it as an excuse to close the thread, that in itself will tell us where we stand. As far as Turbine is concerned, the customer doesn't matter; neither does player loyalty.

[Summer_Beor]

Please read the posts again. The proposed 'serious business' zones are for Update 10.

[Nyrion]

Please read the posts again. The proposed 'serious business' zones are for Update 10.

By the looks of things people were too busy frothing at the mouth to read.

[Rathrilwing]

As a heavy roleplayer on both laurelin and crickhollow.. i must say, i too, am not please.. try being in the middle of a serious conversation when some lovely troll decides to make you do a little dance. *sarcastic smile*

Turbine would be good to solve the issue of the fact that - if i am sitting - i would prefer not being suddenly thrown to my feet to kneel to a passerby.

Perhaps a bit of a change here? Mm, sadly i doubt it likely, although it would be nice to, perhaps, make those who have RP turned on immune to forced emotes? The trolls can have their fun on the gamers, and us roleplayers won't have to deal with the constant interruption.

~Silvix/Evandriel/Mariseiel.~

[UrsaMinor]

When U9 goes live you'll have a stage outside the prancing pony with the Serious Business hotspot so you can play music in peace without any of those pesky forced emotes.

Please read the posts again. The proposed 'serious business' zones are for Update 10.

By the looks of things people were too busy frothing at the mouth to read.

Is U9 not live?

Don't you just love people who can't read being snarky to others about not being able to read?

[stitchersflock]

Greetings all!

I am from earlier not happy with the forced emotes cause I spend most of my time 'abusing' the music system to play music with the band 'The Chosen Few' on [En-RP] Laurelin. Not fun when you're doing a concert, got a lovely audience and some sod comes in and spams the room with forced emotes.

Well, up until now those forced emotes did not work on people already doing an emote, like playing an instrument. Now it does. Had a little rehersal last night with the band, and some ramdom fellow did one of those emotes, and the entire band just 'kneeled' in the middle of a tune. &&&....

There is also another thing thats changed, and that is the idle emote on chars not doing anything.
This also takes affect while playing a tune for a couple of minutes. Kind of strange seeing a person in the middle of a heavy lute-solo, putting down the instrument to scratch his arm, before continuing the visual part of the playing.

These things need to be fixed, and fixed fast.

We in The Chosen Few are putting up a big concert called 'Archet Aid' at the 3rd of November, and one 'troll' can in this way totally ruin the event for the majority of people attending it.

Anyone else got the problem?


Best regards
Grymrock Grey
Officer - Order of the Divine Brew
The Chosen Few

I have the problem with role players who FORCE their role playing on the rest of the server. I should not be FORCED to listen to your concert when I walk into the Prancing Pony. There are guild houses and stages set up for such activities and the behavior of role players in public disrupts game play for non-role players on the server. Seriously, I am so glad that the role players have abandoned Landroval in droves ... it killed the server but it is a much nicer place for the 30 or so people that are logged in there any time I log on. I'm not condoning the behavior of disruptive characters, but honestly I more than understand it. It is so damn irritating entering the Pony and be confronted with someone's idea of appropriate behavior. Honest to god, the things I've seen and heard in the Pony for years are a large reason I've stopped and started playing the game so many times.

[Glenwin]

We are currently having discussions about how to address this issue on a global scale. However, in the meantime I can add these hotspots so you'll have a few safe places for U10.

@UrsaMinor: Yeah, it indeed was a bit confusing. So this is why I and others think we will get them with U10.

[Abiyah]

I have the problem with role players who FORCE their role playing on the rest of the server. I should not be FORCED to listen to your concert when I walk into the Prancing Pony. There are guild houses and stages set up for such activities and the behavior of role players in public disrupts game play for non-role players on the server. Seriously, I am so glad that the role players have abandoned Landroval in droves ... it killed the server but it is a much nicer place for the 30 or so people that are logged in there any time I log on. I'm not condoning the behavior of disruptive characters, but honestly I more than understand it. It is so damn irritating entering the Pony and be confronted with someone's idea of appropriate behavior. Honest to god, the things I've seen and heard in the Pony for years are a large reason I've stopped and started playing the game so many times.

You make a decent point here, but for one thing... you can turn the music down. Player music can be toggled off. You have choices. Forced emotes come with no choice. Your character has to do them when they are used on you. Not quite the same as "being forced" to listen to RP music, is it?

[manstan]

I have the problem with role players who FORCE their role playing on the rest of the server. I should not be FORCED to listen to your concert when I walk into the Prancing Pony. There are guild houses and stages set up for such activities and the behavior of role players in public disrupts game play for non-role players on the server. Seriously, I am so glad that the role players have abandoned Landroval in droves ... it killed the server but it is a much nicer place for the 30 or so people that are logged in there any time I log on. I'm not condoning the behavior of disruptive characters, but honestly I more than understand it. It is so damn irritating entering the Pony and be confronted with someone's idea of appropriate behavior. Honest to god, the things I've seen and heard in the Pony for years are a large reason I've stopped and started playing the game so many times.

That is a rather ludicrous statement considering the number of servers. I never once had a an RPer force anything on me.

[Summer_Beor]

If you read my post with snarkiness, that comes from your end, Duralt. I would have loved to see them implemented for U9, but understood that we should see them in U10. Yes, there was confusion, for good reason.

For the poster who hates RP, don't play on an RP-ENCOURAGED server. Is it so much to ask to be left to RP in peace?

[Whart]

the behavior of role players in public disrupts game play for non-role players on the server.

How, exactly? Not that I'm a fan of what goes on in the Pony (especially the back rooms), and I choose to avoid that one location out of so many other places to play the game. But please explain how hearing a concert (that you don't have to hear if you turn off player music), or seeing someone RPing changes your ability to do anything in the game. Does it prevent you from turning in a quest? Does it prevent you from completing a deed? Can you not talk to a vendor or craft when others are having an in-character conversation near you? Or are you just saying that for you, game play means walking into the Pony and seeing no other player there doing anything that you can see?

And for the record, when I log in on Landroval, there are often close to 30 players logged on in my kin alone. The server is alive and well, as is RP in almost every area I visit every day. If you don't like that atmosphere, then why not try a server where there is no (or very little) RP? Nimrodel, for example, has some great people and a fairly good mix of casual vs achievement-oriented players, but almost no RP community. I'm sure there are many more like that. Cultures vary by server, and if you aren't happy on one, why not try another?

[maxjenius]

How, exactly? Not that I'm a fan of what goes on in the Pony (especially the back rooms), and I choose to avoid that one location out of so many other places to play the game. But please explain how hearing a concert (that you don't have to hear if you turn off player music), or seeing someone RPing changes your ability to do anything in the game. Does it prevent you from turning in a quest? Does it prevent you from completing a deed? Can you not talk to a vendor or craft when others are having an in-character conversation near you? Or are you just saying that for you, game play means walking into the Pony and seeing no other player there doing anything that you can see?

That person is engaging in typical deflection: "Oh yeah? Well, what you're doing is just as bad as what I'm doing. So there."

[stargazer2009]

Greetings all!

I am from earlier not happy with the forced emotes cause I spend most of my time 'abusing' the music system to play music with the band 'The Chosen Few' on [En-RP] Laurelin. Not fun when you're doing a concert, got a lovely audience and some sod comes in and spams the room with forced emotes.

Well, up until now those forced emotes did not work on people already doing an emote, like playing an instrument. Now it does. Had a little rehersal last night with the band, and some ramdom fellow did one of those emotes, and the entire band just 'kneeled' in the middle of a tune. &&&....

There is also another thing thats changed, and that is the idle emote on chars not doing anything.
This also takes affect while playing a tune for a couple of minutes. Kind of strange seeing a person in the middle of a heavy lute-solo, putting down the instrument to scratch his arm, before continuing the visual part of the playing.

These things need to be fixed, and fixed fast.

We in The Chosen Few are putting up a big concert called 'Archet Aid' at the 3rd of November, and one 'troll' can in this way totally ruin the event for the majority of people attending it.

Anyone else got the problem?


Best regards
Grymrock Grey
Officer - Order of the Divine Brew
The Chosen Few

Grym, forced emotes do not work when you're mounted So, if you can play a lute mounted, go for it. I loathe forced emotes. So, I just stay mounted in a town, unless I am at an ah. No choice there.

[Edwenemairth]

Hey, Turbine--I know in DDO you can move a toon from one server to another for fifty bucks a pop. So here's an idea that would make you a buttload of money, because I know that I personally WOULD pay a hundred bucks to move my two main characters to a server that does not support forced emotes at all. All you have to do is make a new one where FEs simply don't exist. Bet other people would pay, too. Yes, I hate them THAT much...it would take me months to save up that much mad money, but I am totally willing for it if it'll get me away from the forced emotes forever.

[Myiat]

Hey, Turbine--I know in DDO you can move a toon from one server to another for fifty bucks a pop. So here's an idea that would make you a buttload of money, because I know that I personally WOULD pay a hundred bucks to move my two main characters to a server that does not support forced emotes at all. All you have to do is make a new one where FEs simply don't exist. Bet other people would pay, too. Yes, I hate them THAT much...it would take me months to save up that much mad money, but I am totally willing for it if it'll get me away from the forced emotes forever.

This sounds great in theory and I think it would last for about.... 5 seconds after its name is made known, cause if something like this were actually done, I can almost guarantee you that the server would get filled up by griefers faster than you can actually get your transfer done.

Casein point, if people are bent on bothering you they will. I have been playing this game over 3yrs now. I have several hobbits among my alts. Only and ALWAYS when I am on one of them, inevitably someone will come along who will do a FE, or stand on her when they are on a horse, or stand on her when she is crafting, etc. and if I move out of the way so they cannot do it any longer, they just keep following her around and do it again. Apparently, standing on hobbits is hysterical or something -- who knew?

I think even if there were a toggle for the FE - which I do support and have said so before - I still think these kinds of things are going to happen over and over due to the prevalence of certain kinds of players just thinking that its fun to ****ck with you whenever they can. Sad but true. So whenever you come across this kind of stuff you have to find a way to remove yourself from the situation if this type of "play" it isn't your cup of tea, cause the fact TB doesn't offer any way for the game to monitor or control it means we are on our own.

Personally, when people do this sort of crud, I just log another character and keep playing. Saves me the aggravation and them the ability to keep at it, lol.

[Glenwin]

Fair enough, Kaius. I wholeheartily agree with the "never talk about it again". This could indeed happen.

[stitchersflock]

You make a decent point here, but for one thing... you can turn the music down. Player music can be toggled off. You have choices. Forced emotes come with no choice. Your character has to do them when they are used on you. Not quite the same as "being forced" to listen to RP music, is it?

Yup true enough, but I can't turn off their feigning death, slapping people, walking through town like they are on a death march, their feeble attempts to imitate sex, etc. Honestly, what passes for "role play" is really nothing more than horrible, low rent, soap opera acting. If they want to engage in such activities, great do so out of public areas. Forced Emotes may have no opt-out feature currently, but I've yet to see one be used and honestly, I look at forced emotes as a form on non-role player revenge for years of bad public role play.

[manstan]

Yup true enough, but I can't turn off their feigning death, slapping people, walking through town like they are on a death march, their feeble attempts to imitate sex, etc. Honestly, what passes for "role play" is really nothing more than horrible, low rent, soap opera acting. If they want to engage in such activities, great do so out of public areas. Forced Emotes may have no opt-out feature currently, but I've yet to see one be used and honestly, I look at forced emotes as a form on non-role player revenge for years of bad public role play.

Yes, well, that speaks volumes now doesn't it.



"I support giving you guys an opt-out but SOLELY to stop you from complaining. You blow this issue way out of proportion. Well, fine. Let's just give you what you want, get it over with and never speak of it again". Kaius

[Jayvani]

please let us opt out of forced emotes...

or if you are unsure about this... put it in and try it for a month and watch how many people opt out... then let the player base decide in that way...

[Macroscian]

I reported someone today for repeat spamming forced emotes on one of my characters over and over like an ADD kid on crack - after being asked repeatedly and nicely to please not do so.

Note that it was the third character he kept attacking and ruining the fun for, or I would not have reported at all.

There must be an opt-out.

[manstan]

I reported someone today for repeat spamming forced emotes on one of my characters over and over like an ADD kid on crack - after being asked repeatedly and nicely to please not do so.

Note that it was the third character he kept attacking and ruining the fun for, or I would not have reported at all.

There must be an opt-out.

Hate to tell you but all you accomplish was possibly getting some personal satisfaction. Turbine doesn't seem to consider the spamming of FEs greifing, so wont take action on your ticket; to the best of my knowledge. They can't because right in the FE descriptions it says "best use on someone else". Turbine can't very well do something to some one for using FEs when they have went so far out of their way to encourage people to use them.

Doesn't mean you have to like it, or tolerate it though. Keep reporting them if for nothing more then the personal satisfaction of having done so.

[PerinStone]

please let us opt out of forced emotes...

or if you are unsure about this... put it in and try it for a month and watch how many people opt out... then let the player base decide in that way...

So you want them to code the logic just to see how much it would be used? Then remove it if not enough people turned it on?

[Rampagingdeath]

I reported someone today.

Heh, that'll learn em.

Great idea, waste a GM's time wading through tickets about nothing when they could be actually helping someone.