Quote Originally Posted by Laerien View Post
Yes indeed. And probably they are the reason of why normal people end up playing a totally different class than they started. I think that many people get tired of the constant neverending class re balancing to please PvPers. The irony is when PvPers are fed up, bored of doing the same every night, they leave like locusts to other game; leaving decimated communities in their path.

people comparing FF with LotRO... what's next, CoD vs FIFA
It is true that they do hammer for changes to the classes. However, in fairness, they are very often right. It may mean we have to relearn parts of our class, but that is fairly standard after bug fixes. In other worse, we (all players) encounter a bug. Some skill doesn't work right, or something. In the short-term, we don't have any choices. We get used to its brokenness. We find tactics and techniques to work around it. Then it finally gets fixed or otherwise changed (hopefully without introducing more problems, which have an unfortunate tendency to pop up) and we have to relearn the skills.

Of course, the most drastic changes were with HD. I don't know what led to that, though I suspect it wasn't due to the PvMPers. I think the devs wanted to do that regardless of what PvMPers -- or anyone else -- said.

For myself, as one who PvMPers, raids and plays casually, depending on my mood and time constraints, there are many skills on many classes that I consider broken, and that sentiment I find often shared, in kinchat (among other casuals), here on the forums, etc. It is shared among casuals and hardcores alike. I know of minstrels from both ends of the spectrum who come to the same conclusion about some of their skills. And sometimes the casuals are just as loud as the PvMPers about getting some of them fixed.

So yes. Relearning our skills is an unfortunate side-effect of rebalancing classes, but I for one am happy to do so, so long as the changes in question are for the better. I'd rather we slowly work towards balance instead of settling on "good enough". That is the same reason why I cast my vote with raiders and PvMPers and the similar about wanting traditional instances and more class balance (not just in PvE but in PvMP as well). Because I don't want "good enough". There is loads of room for improvement, and if we can see improvement happen, then I jolly well want it to.