17.1

[lugbur]

Well, hope creeps enjoy GV, because after freeps find out what happens in the open that is going to be creeps view of the Moors, the powers that be have no ability to create fair play, the only consideration is the almighty dollar. Too bad really, it was just beginning to regain its balance and appeal. I know creep reaction will be that they want this and more, but will it be fun after awhile just looking at GV. And please spare me your juvenile reactions of learn to play your toon, 8 years and 2 accounts and freep and creep toons have learned and earned me a voice.

creeps are still far from "OP". obviously no one has really tested anything yet, but i feel like the changes still wont balance things out. freeps still have better healing, still have better dps, and ways to supplement that dps (oathies, too arms etc.). solo play will most likely be ruined by this, but turbine dont care about solo play

[Spilo]

Too bad really, it was just beginning to regain its balance and appeal.

it was just beginning to regain its balance and appeal.

balance and appeal.

balance

[infinitewhimsy]

I knew us pvpers are objectively the biggest douches in the game, but i still dislike when threads turn into obnoxious, unnecessarily trolly threads like this one.

When in Etten-Rome...

[botoo]

Well, hope creeps enjoy GV, because after freeps find out what happens in the open that is going to be creeps view of the Moors, the powers that be have no ability to create fair play, the only consideration is the almighty dollar. Too bad really, it was just beginning to regain its balance and appeal. I know creep reaction will be that they want this and more, but will it be fun after awhile just looking at GV.

Most likely this will lead to GV camp indeed, why? Imho because freeps are already too used to be OP to the next level. There was no balance at all with U17, I recall a hunters dev on my warg for 45% of my morale and when I returned the favour and did a dev from stealth on that hunter I did a whopping 3% of his morale (OP's were 2/2). I've seen several creeps got hit for over 50% of their morale pool (and I am not talking about greenies), I have yet to see any freep being hit for a likewise %. With this update balance will still be non-existent but it is a step in the right direction (although I personally do not like the simply 'boost creep morale' style of lotro pvp updating, but that is a different story).

And please spare me your juvenile reactions of learn to play your toon, 8 years and 2 accounts and freep and creep toons have learned and earned me a voice.

Premature calling responses 'juvenile' is kinda sad, 8 years and 2 accounts is no guarantee you to have an objective say in this matter (that I know with 8/4).

[lugbur]

I like this update

with or without defiler buff?

[xParamore]

I don't care about any of this. Just give me the old brands back.

[Chodelet]

Well, hope creeps enjoy GV ... the powers that be have no ability to create fair play ... Too bad really, it was just beginning to regain its balance and appeal.

This most recent build embodied "fair play?" It had "balance and appeal?" lol

This seems to be an injustice of epic proportions. I would suggest contacting the U.N.'s Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. Clearly, your rights have been violated and this must be reported to the appropriate authorities.

And please spare me your juvenile reactions of learn to play your toon, 8 years and 2 accounts and freep and creep toons have learned and earned me a voice.

Please use that voice. Don't go to Turbine; contact the UNOHCHR. They will respect your deep experience with both sides and appreciate the outrage of this update.

You, too, can make a difference!

The increasing font was a nice touch. I think Keanu has been permanently traumatized by this update.

[avengingbananaslug]

Well, hope creeps enjoy GV, because after freeps find out what happens in the open that is going to be creeps view of the Moors, the powers that be have no ability to create fair play, the only consideration is the almighty dollar. Too bad really, it was just beginning to regain its balance and appeal. I know creep reaction will be that they want this and more, but will it be fun after awhile just looking at GV. And please spare me your juvenile reactions of learn to play your toon, 8 years and 2 accounts and freep and creep toons have learned and earned me a voice.

You are objectively bad at your classes. I soloed your warden and clawbreaker on my reaver back on silverlode when I couldn't beat Frupy's warden solo. You and Clawbreaker are of a similar skill level and I just beat him on my warg when there are several dps minis I cannot beat on Landy. I get why you think creeps are OP but I feel very comfortable in saying its you not the game. My suggestion is to forget the fact you have an r15 mini that I'm sure is fawned over by people who think rank=skill and figure out why there are minis and wardens face rolling on the Moors while you still think easy classes are underpowered.

[Giliodor]

The increasing font was a nice touch.

He learned it from the best.

[spelunker]

What right back at you!


Have Deso lined up in Battle Prep.
Use Shield Builder as you approach Creep.
Use Deso.
Spam Fist/Shield as you do above, get an extra Mastery from the residual Battle Prep.
Use SoD.
? ? ?
Profit.

I didn't advocate starting with SoV, precisely b/c it's more of a pain to mask. I was saying most Wardens still start with it, hence the the pot change being useful.

Where to begin...

The battle prep stuff; you still didn't mask desolation in the example you listed (or the SoD), and the free mastery from battle prep after a prepped gambit only applies if you initiate combat with the prepped gambit itself or timing so close to it that the creep has to be afk not to prevent it from happening anyway, or you ambushed them for 5m out.

It doesn't matter when you apply SoV, first or after all your fist DoTs, the first wound DoT can always be removed (unless they remove a cry beforehand), which is exactly what I said. If you start with it prepped, you don't lose those masteries (either fi-sp or sp-fi), which are the most potentially valuable from a pure damage perspective. Fractal, if we were taking your approach, why not just start with SoV anyway? It does more damage than Unnering if they don't pot it, and you're in the same mastery position whether they pot it or not. Because they're less likely to pot Unerring than SoV? Seems iffy.

And lets not get into the relative duration of the fist builder vs actual DoT Gambits and what that means for masking.

[swaglol]

Fractal, if we were taking your approach, why not just start with SoV anyway? It does more damage than Unnering if they don't pot it, and you're in the same mastery position whether they pot it or not. Because they're less likely to pot Unerring than SoV? Seems iffy.

don't waste yourself on that memelord.

i'd like the surety of sov, and with applying unerring first you get that no matter what they do. pot it or not you get sov and potentially unerring because hey why not.

swagman flick the wrist blaze it

[infinitewhimsy]

Where to begin...

The battle prep stuff; you still didn't mask desolation in the example you listed (or the SoD), and the free mastery from battle prep after a prepped gambit only applies if you initiate combat with the prepped gambit itself or timing so close to it that the creep has to be afk not to prevent it from happening anyway, or you ambushed them for 5m out.

It doesn't matter when you apply SoV, first or after all your fist DoTs, the first wound DoT can always be removed (unless they remove a cry beforehand), which is exactly what I said. If you start with it prepped, you don't lose those masteries (either fi-sp or sp-fi), which are the most potentially valuable from a pure damage perspective. Fractal, if we were taking your approach, why not just start with SoV anyway? It does more damage than Unnering if they don't pot it, and you're in the same mastery position whether they pot it or not. Because they're less likely to pot Unerring than SoV? Seems iffy.

And lets not get into the relative duration of the fist builder vs actual DoT Gambits and what that means for masking.

Haha, I'm so dumb. For some reason I thought the builder would go off as an attack with Battle Prep, which it obviously does not (although the animation plays). I had to log in to my Warden to test/figure out what you meant, I'm not and haven't been actually playing it and thought I had this great theoretical work around. You are correct, I apologize for what-ing at you. Now I am not sure what the ideal approach would be...but it's surely not starting with SoV.

don't waste yourself on that memelord.

i'd like the surety of sov, and with applying unerring first you get that no matter what they do. pot it or not you get sov and potentially unerring because hey why not.

swagman flick the wrist blaze it

Pshaw, my Mins configuration is still perfect. I invite you to critique it, not that you can.

[YOLOSWAG420]

with or without defiler buff?

With the buff.

73k QNW without the buff though

[eleanora123]

Well, hope creeps enjoy GV, because after freeps find out what happens in the open that is going to be creeps view of the Moors.

I hope the freeps enjoyed the *grams camps* I have been witnessing on several servers for months/years just saying

[infinitewhimsy]

Oh, I guess you could just throw a Marked Target as you approach instead. That would work. And the double Battle Prep is totally reliable if you start out with Desolation. @ Spelunker.

[swaglol]

Haha, I'm so dumb. For some reason I thought the builder would go off as an attack with Battle Prep, which it obviously does not (although the animation plays). I had to log in to my Warden to test/figure out what you meant, I'm not and haven't been actually playing it and thought I had this great theoretical work around. You are correct, I apologize for what-ing at you. Now I am not sure what the ideal approach would be...but it's surely not starting with SoV.




Pshaw, my Mins configuration is still perfect. I invite you to critique it, not that you can.

so you were disastrously wrong and tried to call me out, but you've had to back out because smacked down. why would anyone think you've a competent minstrel build?

[infinitewhimsy]

so you were disastrously wrong and tried to call me out, but you've had to back out because smacked down. why would anyone think you've a competent minstrel build?

You didn't make the point Spelunker did, you just offered your garbage opening and said "idk why isn't this better, it has SoV, SoV is good, this must be the best". There's quite the difference. Plus I've made an addendum, and using Marked Target instead of a Fist Builder, my opening still works, and is vastly superior.


You keep talking...but I still don't see any critiques!

[swaglol]

using Marked Target instead of a Fist Builder, my opening still works, and is vastly superior.

you can't pot marked target so sov gets potted instead. please stop this is so embarrassing.

You keep talking...but I still don't see any critiques!

you mean like how i asked you to tell my why a) my opener was bad and b) yours was superior in terms of damage output?

####ing hell tho hahahahah...

[infinitewhimsy]

you can't pot marked target so sov gets potted instead. please stop this is so embarrassing.

You should be able to. Unless I just have total memory failure.

you mean like how i asked you to tell my why a) my opener was bad and b) yours was superior in terms of damage output?

####ing hell tho hahahahah...

Math. Maybe if I say it slowly? Mines involves having two t4 dots from Battle Prep, yours involves having 1.

2. Versus 1.

2 is bigger.

My way you have more Masteries available to stack your other dots, too.

[swaglol]

You should be able to. Unless I just have total memory failure.

haha yep cool. i love how you're getting destroyed and still try and talk ####

Math. Maybe if I say it slowly? Mines involves having two t4 dots from Battle Prep, yours involves having 1.

2. Versus 1.

2 is bigger.

My way you have more Masteries available to stack your other dots, too.

are you seriously going with the 'higher the tier the better the dot'? also why do you think spamming shield builder masks a damn thing hahahahaha

[infinitewhimsy]

are you seriously going with the 'higher the tier the better the dot'? also why do you think spamming shield builder masks a damn thing hahahahaha

Someone never learned how to read or count, it seems. Do you think Deso and SoD do less damage than SoV? Do you think More Masteries is worse than fewer? I guess I really didn't say it slow enough.

haha yep cool. i love how you're getting destroyed and still try and talk ####

Marked Target totally is pottable, btw.

[swaglol]

Someone never learned how to read or count, it seems.

keep being hypocritically vague pls. it makes you looks like you belong to the intelligentsia you so clearly are a part of.

Marked Target totally is pottable, btw.

well meh, maybe it is, and i tested wrong, but it still only masks cries and you're very wrong that it's better starting with aoe dots. i don't know why i'm even arguing it with you because you clearly don't even play warden in pvp...

[infinitewhimsy]

keep being hypocritically vague pls. it makes you looks like you belong to the intelligentsia you so clearly are a part of.



well meh, maybe it is, and i tested wrong, but it still only masks cries and you're very wrong that it's better starting with aoe dots. i don't know why i'm even arguing it with you because you clearly don't even play warden in pvp...

Still not seeing any critiques!

Where am I vague? It literally couldn't be clearer. The two skills do more damage than the one. They are a better use of your Battle Prep. 2>1! I think we are entering the territory where your inability to actually reply only merits condescending image macros in return.

Btw, you might want to exclude periods at the ends of your sentences. It makes the whole disaffected too cool for grammar thing seem like affectation.

[swaglol]

Still not seeing any critiques!

Where am I vague? It literally couldn't be clearer. The two skills do more damage than the one. They are a better use of your Battle Prep. 2>1! I think we are entering the territory where your inability to actually reply only merits condescending image macros in return.

it's funny because you've gone back to edit your posts to make them clearer, but in enough time as to not mark them 'edited'.

might you stop with this 'hurr durr 2 is better than 1 lol' bull####? are two motorcycles bigger than a bus? due to the speed at which one can apply sov>ps, counting the chance to double stack, it is definitely better to use them first, then surety due to the upfront hit causing more damage than the difference between the dot of surety and deso, but then ofc deso, brink, pb etc etc...

but then again, you fundamentally misunderstand how battle prep works, so...

[morend]

Turbine still doesn't understand what we need, if you are playing in 6 man party right now and u are fighting more than 2 defilers u have high chance to NOT kill him. Turbine has also forgot that most of the time there is more creeps than freeps in ettenmoors that make outnumbering buff and numbers to fight with. All creeps needed was a damage boost for U17.1 and not morale with this healing trash, like really defilers are hitting 50k with heals now and wls even more, wheres some point of small fights again? turbine has to also think that no one in this game wants to run 24 man zergs with lagging servers and old engine of the game, thats pointless what turbine has done, looking forward bit changes because this is a joke.