Please use Midnight and not 12pm as a time refrence

[MathKnight]

I was confused about this a while back. Then I had the thought what time is 12:01 AM? Why, it's in the morning. And 12:01 PM is in the afternoon. Of course 12:00 AM is midnight! And of course 12:00 is noon! The hours for 12 AM and 12 PM run a full hour. They don't have some strange identity crisis twice every day one minute into that hour. Pick any other minute in that hour and it's absolutely clear which is which.

[Scirocco]

I was confused about this a while back. Then I had the thought what time is 12:01 AM? Why, it's in the morning. And 12:01 PM is in the afternoon. Of course 12:00 AM is midnight! And of course 12:00 is noon! The hours for 12 AM and 12 PM run a full hour. They don't have some strange identity crisis twice every day one minute into that hour. Pick any other minute in that hour and it's absolutely clear which is which.

This is how I remember it, in case I forget. Each slot of time between 12 and 1 clearly has an am or pm. The 12:00:00 time slot simply takes the same indicator as the following time slots, for consistency.

[daneyul]

Boy, a lot of condescension in this thread. I will admit to sometimes having to think a moment when someone says "12 PM" whether if it's noon or midnight. After all, "12:00 PM" is coming right after "11:59 AM" and in some ways it seems the 12 should be PM too (and the 1:00 should represent the "turnover" to AM). I know it makes MORE sense to do it the way it is, but I understand that it's not necessarily intuitively obvious that 11:00 AM is followed by 12:00 PM.

[robbie1435]

LoTRO:

"Come for the Hobbits, stay for the discussion about how time works"

[daneyul]

LoTRO:

"Come for the Hobbits, stay for the discussion about how time works"

The arbitrary designations and nomenclatures used in the measuring of time, perhaps, but not the workings of time itself.

“...All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.” - Gandalf

[maartena]

Where I live we use 24 hour clock

Problem is: Where Turbine lives, they do not. And just like we should have gone to the metric system about a 100 years ago, and we really should have dumped Fahrenheit along with it, we Americans are inherently stup..... I mean stubborn, and we won't change a thing, just like we won't use the 24 hour clock.

It works the other way around too, most Americans have trouble understanding the 24 hour clock, unless you have been in the military where NATO members used the same standard throughout all countries.

[Mar-Evayave]

Problem is: Where Turbine lives, they do not. And just like we should have gone to the metric system about a 100 years ago, and we really should have dumped Fahrenheit along with it, we Americans are inherently stup..... I mean stubborn, and we won't change a thing, just like we won't use the 24 hour clock.

It works the other way around too, most Americans have trouble understanding the 24 hour clock, unless you have been in the military where NATO members used the same standard throughout all countries.

I prefer military time and I've never been in the military or been close to someone who is. My story is pretty basic.

I accidentally got my watch set in military time and couldn't figure out how to change it. The need to know time is an incredible motivator to teach yourself.

I do like *F and inches, feet, etc. The metric system is more confusing to me.

[Griffy]

Sounds like a simple request. Wouldn't bother me an ounce (sigh, there went the metric out the window, again).

Clarity in announcements is appreciated. Why do folks on the forums like to have the festival times clarified... which day, so we can make plans to burn ourselves out on token stomping, and get our turn-ins on time? *a little guilty here...* The load screens have been known to be wrong, so we end up having to question it on the forums, again.. a little clarity, firm times and dates posted ahead of time. It goes a long way to makin' things "useful". Especially if you cannot get it released to the game launcher blurb. I couldn't thank Frelorn enough for the "Tentative calendar of events", and hope Cordovan can keep that going.

Ever since Nintendo DS came with time settings etc. I decided to acquaint myself with the 24-hour clock. And it really helped with the, "which 12 is it?" confusion that I had while gaming on them. (ie: when resetting the clock to speed up/down a game.) Since I live in an area that has a clear 24 hour cycle of light outdoors, any normal clock is easy to read if it is midnight or noon.


PS. At least until (H?)Armageddon comes, then the clocks will be the least of our worries. Or will they...? *insert dramatic groundhog meme here*

[Dotlbeme]

My facetious comment....

Technically, there is no 12:00 am, it is MIDNIGHT and there is no 12:00 pm, it is called NOON.

12:01 pm is one minute after NOON.

Convention has 12:00 pm as noon/12:00 am as Midnight but PM = Postmeridian which means AFTER NOON. So *technically* Noon cannot be AFTER NOON!

If you are going to list/start/stop at these times in schedules, you should use the terms Noon and Midnight, however most people versed in modern timekeeping know which 12 o'clock is AM and which is PM.

[daneyul]

My facetious comment....

Technically, there is no 12:00 am, it is MIDNIGHT and there is no 12:00 pm, it is called NOON.

12:01 pm is one minute after NOON.

Convention has 12:00 pm as noon/12:00 am as Midnight but PM = Postmeridian which means AFTER NOON. So *technically* Noon cannot be AFTER NOON!

If you are going to list/start/stop at these times in schedules, you should use the terms Noon and Midnight, however most people versed in modern timekeeping know which 12 o'clock is AM and which is PM.

Good point, and speaks strongly in defense of the OP's request.

[SNy-lotrolinux-EU]

[...]however most people versed in modern timekeeping know which 12 o'clock is AM and which is PM.

As has been brought up a number of times in this thread already, modern timekeeping doesn't use quaint stuff like the 12 hour clock.
SCNR

SNy

[Cordovan_]

If only Swatch's beats had taken off...

[Oelle]

If only Swatch's beats had taken off...

I'm okay with decimal time Go for it
its not used commonly, but should, as its even more simple than the 'good old' 24hours clock.

[Freawaru]

Boy, a lot of condescension in this thread. I will admit to sometimes having to think a moment when someone says "12 PM" whether if it's noon or midnight. After all, "12:00 PM" is coming right after "11:59 AM" and in some ways it seems the 12 should be PM too (and the 1:00 should represent the "turnover" to AM). I know it makes MORE sense to do it the way it is, but I understand that it's not necessarily intuitively obvious that 11:00 AM is followed by 12:00 PM.

... I reckon people are allowed to be condescending when someone is complaining about something as simple as time-telling. "No one knows what 12 PM is"? SERIOUSLY? I've known that since I was a young child. It is very basic knowledge that any moderately-functioning adult should know.

[Pontin_Finnberry]

since we talking about time i not sure if my end or forums on different time, last post says 09:04 PM but should be 5:04PM? or what clock we run on?

[maartena]

If only Swatch's beats had taken off...

We could do UNIX time.

"The servers will be brought down from 1468566000 to 1468580400. See you in game soon!"

[Freawaru]

since we talking about time i not sure if my end or forums on different time, last post says 09:04 PM but should be 5:04PM? or what clock we run on?

Go to: Forum Actions (under the light grey bar at the top of the page) > General Settings > Date & Time Options > Time Zone. Select your own time zone. Voila!

[Pontin_Finnberry]

Go to: Forum Actions (under the light grey bar at the top of the page) > General Settings > Date & Time Options > Time Zone. Select your own time zone. Voila!

Thought i went there before guess not well its fixed now thanks

[maartena]

I do like *F and inches, feet, etc. The metric system is more confusing to me.

1km = 10hm = 100dm = 1,000m = 10,000cm

Although hectometer and decameter aren't used often, the way the metric system steps up/down in magnitude is a whole lot easier to remember than....

1mile = 1760 yards = 5,280 feet = 63,360 inch

And then...
1 yard is 3 feet.
1 feet is 12 inches.
Therefore 1 yard is 36 inches.

And if that wasn't bad enough, its different on water!

1 mile on land = 0.289 leagues.
1 nautical mile is not 1760 yards.... NO, if you are rowing a boat on the river, its 2,025 yards!




The BEST thing ever however is how NASA lost a many-million costing Mars Orbiter probe because someone used English measurements in 1 of the several thousands of calculations used to bring the Orbiter in orbit of Mars, causing it to crash on the surface instead. Ooops.

The English measurement system needs to go.......

[Oelle]

1km = 10hm = 100dm = 1,000m = 10,000cm

when i went to school, i was told that dm stands for decimeter, which is 10cm / 0,1m. but seldom used, too. this makes decameters even more confusing. good, that both don't get used :P

btw, you made a little metric mistake when going from m to cm 1m is 100cm

nice pic btw. totally fits to the whole system of measuring anything back then hundreds of years in the past... or in the USA/UK :P

[cdq1958]

1km = 10hm = 100dm = 1,000m = 10,000cm

Although hectometer and decameter aren't used often, the way the metric system steps up/down in magnitude is a whole lot easier to remember than....

1mile = 1760 yards = 5,280 feet = 63,360 inch

And then...
1 yard is 3 feet.
1 feet is 12 inches.
Therefore 1 yard is 36 inches.

And if that wasn't bad enough, its different on water!

1 mile on land = 0.289 leagues.
1 nautical mile is not 1760 yards.... NO, if you are rowing a boat on the river, its 2,025 yards!




The BEST thing ever however is how NASA lost a many-million costing Mars Orbiter probe because someone used English measurements in 1 of the several thousands of calculations used to bring the Orbiter in orbit of Mars, causing it to crash on the surface instead. Ooops.

The English measurement system needs to go.......

Being a bit older and well trained in both; no, the English system shouldn't go. That's why many Americans will reject the notion of being forced into a decimal system. I'm old enough to remember when they tried it. It failed. Measuring systems using familiar objects as references and using bases with a large number of common divisors simply is easier to work with without computational aids. Let something happen to modern civilization such that electronics don't work and won't work for an unknown period of time, people will get by just fine looking up and around. Yes, I was one of those who made my own sundial. Sure, it wouldn't give you sub-second resolution; but it sure was entertaining telling time by it estimating the 'analemma' effect.

[cdq1958]

Is there literally a legitimate argument going on in this thread about how to tell time, and whether the way some countries do/don't is completely wrong?

I learnt how to tell the time in little school, because its just something everyone get's taught - obviously your parents also teach you at home, but you get a more clearer understanding in school.

12am = Midnight

12pm = Noon

What is so difficult about that?

Theres no difficulty with counting, because, 12am is also the same as 0, because its the start of the new day - So for those who its difficult to understand, think of the day like this;

0, 1, 2... 11, 12, 1, 2... 11, 0, 1, 2... Not so very difficult is it?

The only reason its 12 is because it would be too complicated for those who already struggle to tell the time, if we put both a 12 and 0 on the analog clocks..

And.... Its got nothing to do with learning how to tell the time because different countries tell the time in different ways.

EVERYONE should know what AM/PM means, and everyone should recognise what the time is when they're used. I live in England and generally we operate on a 24hour system, but I can still tell the bloody time in AM/PM!

This reminds me. I have seen a clock with military time and civilian time markings on it. That must have been 50 years ago.

[matalan]

One thing that does puzzle me, is why in recipes, Americans tend to use volume instead of weight, mostly for solids. I enjoy making hotsauce as an example, and granted, the yanks know how to make the goodstuff! But 3 cups of red chillies, are they whole, chopped? Mushed? Just tell me how many ounces or grams please!

Being from the UK, any recipe that calls for a stick of butter has me weeping openly at my scales. lol


Anyway, on topic.

24 hour clock, IE 9pm = 21:00. Just use that, it's easy, unless for some unknown reason you can't count to 24

[ComicRelief]

Not me of course. But this is why I tend to use 11:59 PM (or AM) or 12:01 AM (or PM) to avoid such confusion. (Especially with "midnight" because what do you mean when you say "Sunday at Midnight"? Do you actually mean "Monday morning", as in 1 minute after 11:59 PM on Sunday night? or do you mean "Sunday morning", 1 minute after 11:59 PM Saturday? I've had people tell me both, so I usually clarify with them. But I digress...)

Of course, if Cordovan had done that, and the worlds did not reopen exactly at 12:01 PM, he'd be barbecued for not opening "on time". There is no winning (only whining).

As has been brought up a number of times in this thread already, modern timekeeping doesn't use quaint stuff like the 12 hour clock.
SCNR

SNy

If only...

[Sun-Tzu]

Then try making an appointment in Thailand. They use 6 hrs. So 2 o'clock can acctually be 2 afternoon, 8 evening, 2 night or 8 morning. The year is now 2559 and not 2016 as they go after Buddhist calendar. Thai also call their Songkran Festival New Year which is 13th April but their holiday also includes 14th and 15th April.

Then we have Chinese New Year which is not between December 31 and January 1st but the first day of the year can be anything between January 21st and February 20th.

I totally agree 24 hr system is superior. 1 o'closk can only be 1 night while 1 afternoon is 13.00. No misundertsandings then at all.

Same with metric system as it's logical. Same with kilogram. All superior systems compared to Farenheit, inch, feet, miles etc. Don't even get me started on when people says the weight is in "stones".

When America wanted to revolt and be free of The English crown/opression they should have freed themselves from all those systems as well and joined the metric, kilogram, celisus etc systems.

When someone says "as you learned in school" when reffering to am/pm system they obviously do not realize that huge parts of the world did not learn that at all in school as they have other systems.