Change the Lootsystem for landscape

[watevaplz]

Yes. We know. You "play" the game unattended but stay close enough to make it appear that you are not doing so when a GM checks on you. As I said, it's akin to burglarizing houses and considering it legal so long as you don't trip the burglar alarms.

You circumvent the detection mechanisms and then willfully confuse that for approval by those trying to catch you.

The fundamental problem here is that you want to cheat/exploit/abuse multiboxing/LM Pets/Loot Sytems and yet won't accept the nature of what you're doing. Everyone wants to think well of themselves. You just want to cheat/exploit/abuse and continue to do so. Which. . . is just sorta getting sad now.

--H

Netflix is an online source, LOTR is also online. Really difficult for anyone to put it in a different monitor or make a minimize version so you can play and watch at the same time? I think you really need to open that manual with Windows 10 (I'm sure that feature was in during 95 but hey I can't judge how bad someone is with a computer) you learn a lot. You really missing out. Yeah I can tell.... it is really getting sad now.

Hey I alt tab or click the minimized window at times to check up on my lms especially when the movie slows down. If the gm just was there are that time cool I reply to them, if not well back to my movie. Sorry they can't really police what I do behind my pc monitor. They are not magicians like you.

[Hurin]

Netflix is an online source, LOTR is also online. Really difficult for anyone to put it in a different monitor or make a minimize version so you can play and watch at the same time? I think you really need to open that manual with Windows 10 (I'm sure that feature was in during 95 but hey I can't judge how bad someone is with a computer) you learn a lot. You really missing out. Yeah I can tell.... it is really getting sad now.

Hey I alt tab or click the minimized window at times to check up on my lms especially when the movie slows down. If the gm just was there are that time cool I reply to them, if not well back to my movie. Sorry they can't really police what I do behind my pc monitor. They are not magicians like you.

Really? That's all you got?

You're slipping. Where's the 50%. . . or "inflation". . . or 36x?

You already mentioned you go off and leave your computer while your farm continues. Sometimes even to sleep.

You can do better than this. Not even fun anymore. . .

[watevaplz]

Keep telling yourself that. He was asked about rank farming. Note that in all replies, he mentioned multiboxing more generally.

Or has it not occurred to you that they stay relatively silent on this topic for a reason? Because they want to retain the flexibility to either continue allowing it, or bring down the hammer on you?

LOL i'm not telling myself that. IF YOU FOLLOW the post you can tell where those originated from. You can tell what was being discussed but I know it is hard for you to follow along with the discussion.... it's ok i understand I get to that phase in my life too.

LOL now a question of relative years they been quiet about this. Sadly they were ok with it since 2007 the client wasn't supporting it so they can't go and tell oh we condone it but you have to suffer thru inevitable crashes that goes with it. Then again if your using a base argument that they were "quiet" about multiboxers and now they are "causing the lag" and "taking up SSGs" where is your official forum post within any time period? Don't tell me they were quiet regarding this matter, right? Another false narratives.

[watevaplz]

Really? That's all you got?

You're slipping. Where's the 50%. . . or "inflation". . . or 36x?

You already mentioned you go off and leave your computer while your farm continues. Sometimes even to sleep.

You can do better than this. Not even fun anymore. . .

Was I wrong with Netflix?

You just forgot about your post regarding multiboxers causing lag and taking up 50% SSG's resources?

Maybe take some vitamins that can improve your mental health.

[Hurin]

Sapience said multiboxing in general was okay. He did not say everything people do with multiboxing is okay. By saying rank farming isn't okay, he is not saying what you do (mass loot farming via pets while afk) is okay. Note that you cannot find anywhere, anywhere at all where your particular behavior is commented upon directly. I think that worries you. I think it worries you a lot. More than you care to admit.

You are obviously, painfully desperate to convince them, me, and yourself that what you do is okay. Look at yourself. Look at what you write? Look what you've been reduced to asserting.

The exploiter doth protest too much, methinks.

[watevaplz]

Sapience said multiboxing in general was okay. He did not say everything people do with multiboxing is okay. By saying rank farming isn't okay, he is not saying what you do (mass loot farming via pets while afk) is okay. Note that you cannot find anywhere, anywhere at all where your particular behavior is commented upon directly. I think that worries you. I think it worries you a lot. More than you care to admit.

You are obviously, painfully desperate to convince them, me, and yourself that what you do is okay. Look at yourself. Look at what you write? Look what you've been reduced to asserting.

The exploiter doth protest too much, methinks.

Who said I'm mass "afk" farming with pets? If I was able to respond to the GM that be the end of it. Obviously I'm not afk

LOL note there is nothing related to watching netflix, doing taxes, creating and taking 50% SSG's resources, inflation, "moral integrity" but then again here we are.

I don't need your verification to play this game the way I wanted. Why would I care what you think? You putting up utter garbage just to fit your agenda of yours is what worries me. Is like this new "multiboxing/rank farming" behaviour of people who generalize multiboxing as rank farming.

Kids crying about unfairness in a videogame, methinks.

[Hurin]

Who said I'm mass "afk" farming with pets?

You did. Several times. You stated clearly that you routinely set up your LM farm before going to bed.

That's "away from keyboard" by every and all definitions.

Not that you'll own up to it. You'll disingenuously and conveniently rationalize that away too. For sure.

[watevaplz]

You did. Several times. You stated clearly that you routinely set up your LM farm before going to bed.

That's "away from keyboard" by every and all definitions.

Not that you'll own up to it. You'll disingenuously and conveniently rationalize that away too. For sure.

What I never said anything of that sort. "falling asleep" is definitely part of the scenario that can happen while infront of a monitor. However not my fault.

But so is watching Netflix in your own standards. Even though that is outrageous but in your definition it is against the rules. So anything partly goes "away from keyboard" is deemed inappropriate in your own standards.


Of course I won't, it be weird, if I managed to respond to a GM while asleep and discuss about pertaining events.

[Tsch]

Which is why there are features built into the game to allow you to log in multiple accounts and control them without needing to alt-tab or run 3rd party software. It's why the devs allow you to log in all of your account's characters at once. It's why the devs have repeatedly said they are in favor of combat multiboxing. Yup, all of those things.

Also notice that the embarrassing nonsense about economics has dried up right around the point where your absurd misunderstands led to their undeniable conclusion. Convenient, that.

I've said this on several occasions, but it's worth repeating once more. Your arguments are in shambles. You've made yourself look completely ridiculous. Just cut your losses, stop posting, and go back to cheating. It's not likely the devs are ever going to clean up their game, no matter how painfully obvious it is that you and your ilk are ruining it. Take solace in that fact. And if they do ever wake up, you'll still have all that gold and loot. Heck, you can probably keep on exploiting even if they decide to actually police you. That's how it worked in Asheron's Call. The devs banned unattended combat macroing and large swaths of the population still did it - for well over a decade! They found remote locations where it wasn't likely they'd be reported. They created a mindset among the majority of the playerbase that snitching on them was uncool. And if they did happen to get caught on occasion, they waited out their bans and went right back to work. The rewards were just too great for a couple days' ban to slow them down. You'd be in basically the same position.

Features like the ability to log in multiple accounts (coded into the game launcher) and a Follow command that lets one drag along a few alts?

[Gyes]

Features like the ability to log in multiple accounts (coded into the game launcher) and a Follow command that lets one drag along a few alts?

Thanks for demonstrating how you can misuse features in the game. That's half of the definition of exploiting. The other half is that you are misusing those systems for personal profit. A big check there too. For some reason, I feel like we've had this discussion before...

[Hurin]

What I never said anything of that sort. "falling asleep" is definitely part of the scenario that can happen while infront of a monitor. However not my fault.

You have stated that you "normally" (ie, regularly, commonly) go to sleep (note, not fall asleep) and defended this as a common/acceptable practice.

Normally I go to sleep too when I farm deeds/mats and let the afk function kick me off the game...

Some players like myself will just use pet aggressive stance and just afk until auto log off.

The standards of going to sleep while my pet is in aggressive mode until log off? That is how most LM's deeds/traits how is this a violation?

Intellectual dishonestly is one thing. But this now smacks of another type.

As I've said prior, there's no point in having a discussion with someone who will literally say anything (regardless of any foundation in reality, logic, or fairness), but now that you're crossing over into denying that you said things you clearly said, and denying that you do things that you've proudly admitted to doing just a few days ago. . . I think we're done here.

I'm sure you'll have a reply. I'm sure you'll assert nonsense and twist the obvious above. I'm sure you'll bait and taunt while you obfuscate and misrepresent while striving mightily to change the subject. But I'm done. Enjoy your game. The one you "play" while sleeping.

--H

[watevaplz]

You have stated that you "normally" (ie, regularly, commonly) go to sleep (note, not fall asleep) and defended this as a common/acceptable practice.





Intellectual dishonestly is one thing. But this now smacks of another type.

As I've said prior, there's no point in having a discussion with someone who will literally say anything (regardless of any foundation in reality, logic, or fairness), but now that you're crossing over into denying that you said things you clearly said, and denying that you do things that you've proudly admitted to doing just a few days ago. . . I think we're done here.

I'm sure you'll have a reply. I'm sure you'll assert nonsense and twist the obvious above. I'm sure you'll bait and taunt while you obfuscate and misrepresent while striving mightily to change the subject. But I'm done. Enjoy your game. The one you "play" while sleeping.

--H

But that is clearly in accordance with your watching Netflix since you said that it is a bannable offense / "afk" offense.

[watevaplz]

I can read better than you, evidently, because nowhere in that thread does Sapience say combat multiboxing is OK. In fact, he says pretty much the exact opposite.



Won't, not can't. I have, on multiple occasions. I'm just tired of doing it and having your limited mental facilities fail to comprehend the painfully obvious. Consider this a challenge for your dubious reading skills.



Yeah, you are. You're an exploiter, just like they are. You just happen to play a game that makes it easier to cheat. The coding skill necessary to develop those UCMs in Asheron's Call was impressive. The only thing impressive about you is the length to which you are willing to go to maintain your "play style".



That's actually a list of simple arguments that you lack the ability to comprehend.



Obfuscate is a verb, not an adjective. You sound ridiculous.

Point me where he says it was against the rules. There are MANY who says they combat multibox in that post. But here you are claiming in your own words that Sapience says otherwise and combat multiboxing is an EXPLOIT/ Illegal. I'm sure if I'm following everything it literally suggest something else and it relates to farming PvMP points. Show me since I missed it and I'm getting old like you.

Again not exploiting

All your facts fail, for an economist you should at least know basic math. LOL Inflation that he can't show a single price relating to an item question, and suggest there is! LOL Mathematical formula fail.

I didn't use it as adjective. It clearly has a quotation which meant that you honestly believe that speeding is an "exploit". A sarcastic portrayal of you "speeding" and "exploit". Reading comprehension fail.

[watevaplz]

Thanks for demonstrating how you can misuse features in the game. That's half of the definition of exploiting. The other half is that you are misusing those systems for personal profit. A big check there too. For some reason, I feel like we've had this discussion before...

Lol they never went public in 2007 with multiboxers because the client can't support it. It was prone to crashes. Now that they change the client to be able to handle multiple accounts at the same time you still call multiboxers as exploiting. But clearly if I use the simple rule of logic if they just allow players to play one account at the same time why do they change it to be able to play multiple accounts at the same time. Let's pretend you are SSG for a second. Hmmm mulitboxing is an exploit, but opens up the client to able to handle it, but still an exploit. Mind blown illogical perspective.

Don't even want to go to that Misusing the system for Personal Profit. That is probably a second front you will more likely fail at.

[Hurin]

But that is clearly in accordance with your watching Netflix since you said that it is a bannable offense / "afk" offense.

Yep, right on schedule. Change the topic to Netflix. Ignore that you were just indisputably caught not telling the truth. Not only about what you have or haven't said prior but also about how you play the game. Apparently, what you've said and what you do aren't circumscribed by reality in your mind, but by what suits your rhetorical needs of the moment. And that doesn't seem to trouble you one bit. Hence, no point in arguing with you.

--H

[watevaplz]

Yep, right on schedule. Change the topic to Netflix. Ignore that you were just indisputably caught not telling the truth. Not only about what you have or haven't said prior but also about how you play the game. Apparently, what you've said and what you do aren't circumscribed by reality in your mind, but by what suits your rhetorical needs of the moment. And that doesn't seem to trouble you one bit. Hence, no point in arguing with you.

--H

Well you got a standard of afk I don't know about since you label watching Netflix is part of it. So well just meld it what i've said to what you said it. Perfectly in line with "afk".

[Bohdb]

Ok I have been watching this for a couple days and I think I have figured this out. One kid is mad that when he goes to the party to get his candy treats the guy who goes with his friends who then give it all to him is getting more and this is making him real mad. So he will stomp his feet because he does not think that is right because he gets one thing of treats. So now he wants it set up that if you go to a treat table only one treat is there so people who come in with their friends to hang out at the party get one treat for them ALL to share because first guy is mad.

and then other guy who does not like the guy who brings friends that share treats and does not like it when other people buy things that they like or want, or any thing that they want to spend their hard cash on decides he also needs to have a fit and scream about how years ago if you did not have a tie and pay a HUGE cover charge you could not even come up to the table and all those who don't pay the cover or act the way he wants them needs to leave or he will pout and yell at you.

And then enter Guy with Cool Story Bro to agree with the others who spends his time trying to show off his cool info but seem above it all and agrees with the first two because they don't want others to have fun their own way.

Lazy guy who has friends come in and give them all they have and leave feels he deserves said treats and does not feel bad as OTHERS take MORE than he does so it is not as cool and that is they way he wants to do things and may or may not be in the restroom combing his hair or whatever is justifying my he needs the extra candy.


They are all mad because they feel people who come as friends should only get 1 thing they all have to share because one of the treat bags may have something better in it and they want the better things not the other guy


And then you have people who come to the party to have fun with each other who pick up their treatbags and then trade back and forth to help each other out and would be upset if they were told that even thought they came in a group they should only get a funsize almond joy because people who have a bunch of stuff are afraid others are going to get stuff in a way they like it and have to deal with it.


Have I got it straight? And if I have offended you while fighting, good. The op is angry that some people get more stuff than he does and seems to think that if you fellow you should be punished because he doesn't do it. And then Hurin who hates mulit-boxers (Yes I saw you get accused of it before and get annoyed) hates when people will not play the game he decides it should be and so forth.


Sorry you guys are mad at auction house prices or that F2P are in the game or that some other guy got something you did not but to decide that other people don't deserve the chance to try and get a random drop when they fellow because a group exploit it is just selfess and petty. Oh and the F2P model, about a third to a half of my kin came into this game like it. They then ponied up and became VIP or bought some thing. You might not like the F2P model but it allows someone to join and sample before they decide they want to go all put and drop a few hundred dollars. Just because it seems to hurt your feelings or break the code you want to play by think on this. If you wanted to stay true to the spirit of the game, wear no armor, slot no essences or relics and dojn't get LI's. Stay off horses most of the time, do not use hunter taxis or milestones and if you die delete. Because that would be a bit closer to the spirit of the story.....and while you are at it no magic or any real healing. Then you will be playing right.


And if you will not follow that bit then don't decide how others should play because it upsets you. Let people play. I run my low level kinmates all over to kill mobs and gather gear and such and if I get rewarded with a key or lootbox drop because we are fellowed than that is my reward just because you feel someone else is getting things you don't have or cannot afford the cool toy omn the auction house don't try and mess over those who group for fun or to aid lower level kinmates. It is not right because you don't have the same treats.

[Hurin]

Ok I have been watching this for a couple days and I think I have figured this out. One kid is mad that when he goes to the party to get his candy treats the guy who goes with his friends who then give it all to him is getting more and this is making him real mad. So he will stomp his feet because he does not think that is right because he gets one thing of treats. So now he wants it set up that if you go to a treat table only one treat is there so people who come in with their friends to hang out at the party get one treat for them ALL to share because first guy is mad.

Nope. The guy isn't "going with friends." He's got six or twelve mannequins attached to a pole on either side of him and is demanding that they be treated as people and given candy.

To be honest. I stopped reading there because your analogy is fundamentally flawed. So if you proceed from there, we're not having the same conversation.

[Bohdb]

Nope. The guy isn't "going with friends." He's got six or twelve mannequins attached to a pole on either side of him and is demanding that they be treated as people and given candy.

To be honest. I stopped reading there because your analogy is fundamentally flawed. So if you proceed from there, we're not having the same conversation.

Actually it is pretty dead on you are pretty much whining because someone else is doing something and getting X that you do not have. As I read post after post I could almost hear the stamping of feet but I knew you would not get very far because in the end in post after post you seem to have this idea that people must play the game you want them too.


What does it matter if he drops more gold or task items, vendor trash or potions or even gear. It is not as if there are only a set amount of anything in existence in the game. In the end how does his farming cappy or lore master or whatever get in the way of where you play or what you do? The problem i have with multiboxers is when they farm kills in quest areas where X or this or Y of that must be killed. Beyond that I don't care if they get more hides or gold or drop some rare item he has been wasting his time for. Having a problem when it does not directly stop you from completing a quest or such then move on and pass by. If that is how he wants to play, to spend his time in the game then forget it. Mutiboxers do not take coins from your pockets unless you plan to farm the same mobs. If they put up high price gewgaws in the AH then don't buy it. Simple and pure.


I am sorry if that hurts your feelings or makes you upset but you seemed so worried about how another wastes their time. He is not rank farming so that does not seem to be an issue and if he is not stealing your quest kills then what does it matter. If you are upset because he is getting 6X or 36X drops there is one thing I noticed in all the math games you guys seem to forget. When a kill is made the odds reset it is not cumulative with the next mob and the next. Just like crafting.


And yes this is the conversation we are having because you don't like the way someone else things in a virtual environment and think they need to stop it. Sorry if the analogy was a bit over your head

[Hurin]

Actually it is pretty dead on you are pretty much whining because someone else is doing something and getting X that you do not have. As I read post after post I could almost hear the stamping of feet but I knew you would not get very far because in the end in post after post you seem to have this idea that people must play the game you want them too.


What does it matter if he drops more gold or task items, vendor trash or potions or even gear. It is not as if there are only a set amount of anything in existence in the game. In the end how does his farming cappy or lore master or whatever get in the way of where you play or what you do? The problem i have with multiboxers is when they farm kills in quest areas where X or this or Y of that must be killed. Beyond that I don't care if they get more hides or gold or drop some rare item he has been wasting his time for. Having a problem when it does not directly stop you from completing a quest or such then move on and pass by. If that is how he wants to play, to spend his time in the game then forget it. Mutiboxers do not take coins from your pockets unless you plan to farm the same mobs. If they put up high price gewgaws in the AH then don't buy it. Simple and pure.


I am sorry if that hurts your feelings or makes you upset but you seemed so worried about how another wastes their time. He is not rank farming so that does not seem to be an issue and if he is not stealing your quest kills then what does it matter. If you are upset because he is getting 6X or 36X drops there is one thing I noticed in all the math games you guys seem to forget. When a kill is made the odds reset it is not cumulative with the next mob and the next. Just like crafting.


And yes this is the conversation we are having because you don't like the way someone else things in a virtual environment and think they need to stop it. Sorry if the analogy was a bit over your head

You're the one who said that the "guy" brought twelve friends with him to the party. Right there, your analogy falls apart. He's bringing twelve mannequins with him and then demanding twelve pices of cake, twelve turns in the bounce house, twelve consecutive rides on the pony, twelve gift bags when it's over.

That's your analogy. That it breaks immediately is not my fault. You crafted a poor one.

Now, if you can find me a single instance where a single player in this game has convinced five or eleven fellow players (ie., people) to do nothing but sit alongside him at a spawn point, passively kill things for hours and hours on end while doing nothing else. . . and then at the end of the day those five/eleven other people all willingly hand him over the hundreds of gold and other loot, you might have a point. But, I'd wager that has never happened in the history of this game. Or any other game.

Your analogy began with the premise that a "guy" brings "friends" to a party. But, that fundamentally misses the point. To an astonishing degree. If he brought friends and those friends, of their own free will, wanted to give him the fruits of what they are entitled to for having played the game (attended the party), more power to all. But, of course, that's not at all what's actually going on. Which is why your analogy, to use a technical term, sucks.

And. . . that "stamping of feet" that you keep hearing. . . I think that might be coming from your general vicinity. You're "stamping your feet" because people won't buy into the rationalizations you're using to justify what is obviously shady behavior. You know, like the rationalization where you pretend five/eleven other clients under your control are akin to real people at a party?

--H

Oh, missed this. . .

If they put up high price gewgaws in the AH then don't buy it. Simple and pure.

. . . ummm, things don't work this way. So it's neither that "simple" nor that "pure." You think AH prices are set in a vacuum? That there being tremendous amounts of gold in the hands of people who can generate more at will without even playing the game (ie., watching Netflix or sleeping instead) doesn't affect AH prices?

Sorry, I prefer a game where we all earn what we get. That's how games with integrity work. I'm not trying to "control" how others play the game any more than you are. I just think the game's developers should honor the game's integrity more than they do. But, as we've seen, the Store Business Model has caused them to sell off the game's integrity bit by bit for years. So I don't have a lot of hope.

[Oelle]

Have I got it straight? And if I have offended you while fighting, good. The op is angry that some people get more stuff than he does and seems to think that if you fellow you should be punished because he doesn't do it.

So, this seems to be targeted at me...
Like Hurin wrote, you didn't get it straight, its just far off to be compared like that.
You didn't offend me, you just did it wrong.
I do group. So your last part is obviously wrong, too.
And i want groups to be rewarded for grouping. As long as it makes sense. I want groups to be rewarded for doing things that are intended to be done in groupsize. I dont want people to be much more rewarded for facerolling it. Thats where the issue appears.
I'm totally fine with groupers getting double gold earnings per time plus items that dont drop in solo-areas.
I'm not fine with groupers getting 100x the gold rates plus insane amounts of items that are so obviously not intended to be there AT THIS RATE that SSG needs to react and delete all loot for good so that latecomers dont get anything anymore. Which has happened now and in Rohan.

Try harder

[watevaplz]

And yes this is the conversation we are having because you don't like the way someone else things in a virtual environment and think they need to stop it. Sorry if the analogy was a bit over your head

I asked the 3 on what item that they can't buy because of the inflation that is caused by multiboxers and can't get themselves. To show actual circulation of gold in this "Lotr's economy". No response. I meant anyone who knows math can produce actual inflation numbers. THey just say it exist and you should believed them. You should be affected and everyone since it is mandatory to use gold to survive daily in LOTRO (sarcasm)

Simple consumer product index right in fluctuation in x amount of time (years months)

[Oelle]

Lol you are trying to conform yet again your stance with multiboxers. LOL Just try harder to fit the whole thing for your own convenience.

And obviously, you don't even know my stance against multiboxers. Or you are just ranting whereever possible.
But as you 'ask', I'll tell you my stance with multiboxers:
1) I like multiboxers, if they do music.
2) I like multiboxers, if they multbox to overcome challenges as its much harder to 'groupplay' an instance that actually requires grouping as multiboxer than doing it in a real group. I myself did this years ago in vanilla WoW, so I know what I'm talking of.
3) I personally have no problem with multiboxers in Ettens, although I know that a majority of moor's players dislikes them, as I am not interested in that content.
4) I have a problem with people farming afk in a big group with the INTENTION to get much more loot and not just because they are 10 minutes afk, but this is not related to multiboxing as I have the same problem with people doing that in a group without just being one player, although in most cases, goldfarmers are just one player.
5) I have a problem with huge amounts of players farming content in unintended ways which leads to unintended amounts of gold and items in their bags, which forces SSG to change loottables and annoy latecomers. This again has nothing to do with multiboxers

So, as long as you should be concerned, the only problem I have with your playstyle is not related to multiboxing as you fall in category 4 and 5, which is not only a boxing-problem, but just a loot-system-problem.

Btw: I have roughly 50k Gold, so there is nothing, I couldn't afford.
Thats not the problem. The system is bad, no matter if I am affected, if I profit or if I dont. Its just bad and unfair.


Now, why I find Cordovans post in the other thread interesting, is shown in the part that is bolded here:

We don't have a blanket ban on them. Rather, it has to be done with an understanding of context, including purpose, intention, community opinion on it, impact (if any) to the game world, etc. That said, it's also not something we can formally give support for, as it sets us up for liability and other issues, since we also don't operate nor control the tool. Common sense is probably your best judgement; if it dramatically reduces someone else's experience, crashes the server, does something clearly illegal, or is used to engage in an obvious exploit, it's not okay. If it is a minor UI thing or operates in a friendly way, and is well-liked in the community, that's on you to make a determination about your decision to use it. Just don't reach out to our support team if something goes wrong.

The bolded parts fit perfectly to this situation. And that was the only reason, I asked Cordovan in the other thread to post the same here. Obviously, he didn't and I dont think he will, so we are not able to take his quote here as an answer to the discussion. I'm just saying that it would fit here.

[Bohdb]

You're the one who said that the "guy" brought twelve friends with him to the party. Right there, your analogy falls apart. He's bringing twelve mannequins with him and then demanding twelve pices of cake, twelve turns in the bounce house, twelve consecutive rides on the pony, twelve gift bags when it's over.

That's your analogy. That it breaks immediately is not my fault. You crafted a poor one.

Now, if you can find me a single instance where a single player in this game has convinced five or eleven fellow players (ie., people) to do nothing but sit alongside him at a spawn point, passively kill things for hours and hours on end while doing nothing else. . . and then at the end of the day those five/eleven other people all willingly hand him over the hundreds of gold and other loot, you might have a point. But, I'd wager that has never happened in the history of this game. Or any other game.

Your analogy began with the premise that a "guy" brings "friends" to a party. But, that fundamentally misses the point. To an astonishing degree. If he brought friends and those friends, of their own free will, wanted to give him the fruits of what they are entitled to for having played the game (attended the party), more power to all. But, of course, that's not at all what's actually going on. Which is why your analogy, to use a technical term, sucks.

And. . . that "stamping of feet" that you keep hearing. . . I think that might be coming from your general vicinity. You're "stamping your feet" because people won't buy into the rationalizations you're using to justify what is obviously shady behavior. You know, like the rationalization where you pretend five/eleven other clients under your control are akin to real people at a party?

--H

Oh, missed this. . .



. . . ummm, things don't work this way. So it's neither that "simple" nor that "pure." You think AH prices are set in a vacuum? That there being tremendous amounts of gold in the hands of people who can generate more at will without even playing the game (ie., watching Netflix or sleeping instead) doesn't affect AH prices?

Sorry, I prefer a game where we all earn what we get. That's how games with integrity work. I'm not trying to "control" how others play the game any more than you are. I just think the game's developers should honor the game's integrity more than they do. But, as we've seen, the Store Business Model has caused them to sell off the game's integrity bit by bit for years. So I don't have a lot of hope.

See and again you miss the point so I will lay it out for you. You sound like a child who is mad at some other kid because he got X in a way that you did not and you don't think it is fair. Plain and simple the entire boils down to that. Anyway you want to rationalize it as someone who is a parent this is all I can see. You are mad and what was trying to be pointed out in a joking manner you seem to miss. I don't like mulitboxers. I find them annoying and often in the way so even trying to defend their grind annoys me but as I went through page after page all I can get is the image of a couple kids mad at another because they didn't get it to. It is not integrity that you are trying to force on someone it is your way, what you want. It is not others but you.

And as for AH prices no they do not exist in a vaccum but if you do not want to pay those prices then don't pure in simple. I will not bay 35, 30, 25 or really over 20g for a key. See and since I won't pay I don't get it and that is on me.

[Hurin]

community opinion on it.

These words are what scare them the most. And are the reason some here are willing to say anything, no matter how spurious or bizarre in order to confuse the issue and sidetrack discussion. They know that it's possible that their gravy train is just a few opened eyes away from being shut down.

--H