Premade Imbued Legendary Items

[Ballie]

It's kind of too late to build tech to have a pick list of attributes so it's looking like another fail to figure out a level boost item's needs.

A quick fix would be to adjust the nonsense legacies and relics or set them all to an open legacy slot at the end of the existing script if the UI can handle more than one open slot at a time. Also have bound pick a title and pick a relic boxes if none are assigned.

The ILI pick box could be searchable and include all weapon type choices including bow and crossbow, as well a main trait line. However bad the racial weapon traits are they may get some love in the future. Anyone considering a race/gender change might want to future proof that move with some fore-thought!

[scorrp10]

Yes, he's just saying he was able to increase his virtue cap despite his level (120) not going up. Afaik, no, it shouldn't happen if we look at how the virtue cap works on live now.

According to Wiki, level restriction is:
Level < 110: level / 2.
Level >= 110: level - 55 (up to general max)

A 115 on live can go all way to 60.

[pinlu]

i dont know if this has been mentioned yet, but PLEASE CHANGE the Gems on these weapons to vitality, as of right now might etc is pretty useless ,even for dps

edit: Please make them first agers so OCD dosent kick in every time i see my second agers for literallly no reason Also ,please make it so you can choose what type of weapon you want, like some cappys wanna use swords and some wardens wanna use spears please just add it so we can use all the diff weapons > would be so much better than previous builds

[pinlu]

So, Ive logged in and received my aria. The Premade Imbued LIS are first age, with maxed Starlit crystal, but the legacies are level 47. There is no weapon choice still, which sucks abit

The weapon is still blue, although it says first age , which I dont know if thats a bug or intentional, but its there

Compared to Tybur ones from EG tavern, FA imbued lis are available for Barter , with ALL Weapon choices, but they seem a WIP or a mistake? They dont give a firstager or an imbued li, just a third ager.
Please fix the tiers of them as they are on the second age and follow through with weapon variety, will make this x10 better.

[wispsong]

What got to me was the hints that a couple of these ILIs would be part of the new 120 valar but at the same time advertising the coming store price of no more than the 105 valar.

We don't know if these "premade" ILIs (more like generated via a script on use) will be available separately in the store.

This first iteration just looks to be too good given that they are forming part of the more expensive packages and with the suggestion that level 120 characters will be enabled to make use of it for it's other benefits when normally it would have had an upper limit of 119. It's screaming out that it is too potent even without the added ILIs. With just 35 Empowerment scrolls and 3 Star-lit Crystals below maxed out it's around 140 days of MT dailies and 48 days of a festival grind saved with those two ILIs.

It can't be right that a level boost item becomes the de facto route to advancement. If all our dusty alts haven't already got ILIs sorted does the general standard of play take another dive as we all dust them off and try to remember how we play them?

I'm thinking the same. They don't want to make the work some put into the ILI meaningless but sell a near maxed ILI. Where does this leave players who play the game and just hate this grind? It seems we are not considered in this at all or there would be closer to cap free levels. Somebody with the aria who might not have played the game now has a better ILI then somebody who played the game because of the way this grind has been set up. Either the ILI is a great weapon sticking and growing with us or it is a pay to win item. There are ways to make ILI enhancement better for everyone, instead its in the store.
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[pinlu]

I'm thinking the same. They don't want to make the work some put into the ILI meaningless but sell a near maxed ILI. Where does this leave players who play the game and just hate this grind? It seems we are not considered in this at all or there would be closer to cap free levels. Somebody with the aria who might not have played the game now has a better ILI then somebody who played the game because of the way this grind has been set up. Either the ILI is a great weapon sticking and growing with us or it is a pay to win item. There are ways to make ILI enhancement better for everyone, instead its in the store.
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To be honest, a new player isnt gunna spend 80 Euros for an xpac JUST for an aria to SKIP all the old content to learn the game and play the game. The Imbued lis from Aria are already 1level below live ( 7Emps per weap x2 = 14 = 42 Coins > ~2 rako reset runs ) + beta upgrade (Considering they fix the set level) Its more really a thing for alts, than for skipping.You have been playing ,where that toon hasent, so its got lvl 0 lis, you have level 78, so you pay nothing they pay, or spend hours on hours grinding SOEs for their weapons + Stars which takes too long. This is more of a thing for the Aria of the valar, because 120 vs 105 is a huge diffrence, both in stats and these imbued lis.

[wispsong]

You have a interesting point of view from my perspective.

The pre-imbued is tied to the proposed Valar package, it's not being sold as a stand alone item.

How would you like to see the Valar package work if not to also equip the player who uses a Valar with a weapon and class item they can and continue use?

The question is:

Are a free level capped ILI and Vales quest reward enough to enter MM?

Yes, then this is what the ILI in the package should have. By no means should it be this close to cap.
No, then how are players to play MM who just have that? Don't you want them to play?

[wispsong]

To be honest, a new player isnt gunna spend 80 Euros for an xpac JUST for an aria to SKIP all the old content to learn the game and play the game. The Imbued lis from Aria are already 1level below live ( 7Emps per weap x2 = 14 = 42 Coins > ~2 rako reset runs ) + beta upgrade (Considering they fix the set level) Its more really a thing for alts, than for skipping.You have been playing ,where that toon hasent, so its got lvl 0 lis, you have level 78, so you pay nothing they pay, or spend hours on hours grinding SOEs for their weapons + Stars which takes too long. This is more of a thing for the Aria of the valar, because 120 vs 105 is a huge diffrence, both in stats and these imbued lis.

I don't have lvl 78. My legacies are around 60 though my crystals are maxed on this character who I will not continue to play due to blue hunter changes. My mini who I plan to play with just has free level cap ILIs. Missing crystals/SoEs result in a difference of hundreds of dps between capped and free. That can also be the difference between fun, tedium, impossible.

[Ballie]

It looks like the script for making these LIs just got added to, to call it First ager and left the same icon cyan colo(u)r.

From near max out in BR#2 legacies and crystals it's maxed on crystals and no progress through SoEs.

So with two ILIs that's 658 scrolls to find and any saved up festival crystals are no good. Or 6580 MC, or 52640 LP, or a covering letter from your bank manager.

Some middle ground has to be found. With similar progress on each age IL.

Good that the stat is high so peeps can actually hit stuff and move through the landscape. The legacies should be the cream on top to bring a build together so yeah some work should be part of the deal. So how about 25/31 on the stat and 35/47 on the legacies, with some new sources for SoE 120+. If peeps want to get the stat up straight away they can drop 60 MC on one ILI. This will be enough for landscape and group players will have more sources open to them to speed the acquisitions along.

[Ballie]

I don't have lvl 78. My legacies are around 60 though my crystals are maxed on this character who I will not continue to play due to blue hunter changes. My mini who I plan to play with just has free level cap ILIs. Missing crystals/SoEs result in a difference of hundreds of dps between capped and free. That can also be the difference between fun, tedium, impossible.

All your damage as a mini pivots on that tactical damage rating on your weapon. The dismal DPS stat is just auto attack damage in melee. So stop dressing up from festivals and barter crystals asap. If you can spare some MC that's the least expensive route, and most positively ignore any ripoff LI sales in the store.

But if you have gone for either of the higher packages you might want to use the new valar on your mini before you do any levelling, to catch up. Just check what the final product delivers as who knows what it will end up looking like, does it surpass what you have? Then it's to aim for 200% tact mastery and 30% critical and share a story from yellow and you are golden, fun times begin

[wispsong]

All your damage as a mini pivots on that tactical damage rating on your weapon. The dismal DPS stat is just auto attack damage in melee. So stop dressing up from festivals and barter crystals asap. If you can spare some MC that's the least expensive route, and most positively ignore any ripoff LI sales in the store.

But if you have gone for either of the higher packages you might want to use the new valar on your mini before you do any levelling, to catch up. Just check what the final product delivers as who knows what it will end up looking like, does it surpass what you have? Then it's to aim for 200% tact mastery and 30% critical and share a story from yellow and you are golden, fun times begin

And this is exactly the point I'm trying to make. There shouldn't be this much difference between a free level and a capped ILI. I have no intention to play content I have no fun with so the next festival I do will be Yule. I also have no intention on buying any of the packages or crystals. If I can't play MM with what I have (I can check it out without buying the xpac) then I wont even spend any LP on it. I haven't gotten u23/24 due to pricing and have cancelled my planned VIP until this mess is sorted out. This is a good way to loose more casual players.

I still have fun in lower levels and might even start some new characters since I own every update to NMirkwood but that wont help much with selling higher updates to me.

[BrodhiDDO]

The contents are way to good for the price, and compared to the performance of a FI weapon that people spent tons of grinding on improving.

[ChromiteSwiftpaw]

This feedback is probably too late by now but I feel it must be worth it to someone. This is as of Beta 3 of Bullroarer before it went down today.

Pros of the Pre Imbued LIs from the Soliloquy of the Valar package:

1) For inexperienced players who don't know about legacies, pre-selected legacies can get them to a somewhat ok standing.
2) The legacies are max experience leveled with item experience so no need to have to dump experience into them until you start adding empowerments.
3) The Tactical Damage Rating/DPS Rating/Healing Rating/etc are maxed with Star-lits (31/31)

Cons of the Pre Imbued LIs from the Soliloquy of the Valar package:

1) They are STILL Second Age Legendary Items that are just renamed First Age. They are missing the extra passive on class items. (Apparently the devs are aware and hopefully will fix this)
2) Star-lits basically get WASTED on a guardian belt of any kind if you choose a belt. Don't choose a belt! Same with Minstrel Healing weapon. Choose DPS weapon instead.
3) You cannot select what weapon type you get so can't take advantage of racial bonus or class needs. i.e. a healing minstrel or a tank would want a sword for the tiny 1% parry chance. Instead, a healing minstrel gets a mace and no other options.
4) The legacy tiers on the items are the absolute LOWEST you can get. This means the tiers BEFORE imbue were Tier 1! This is horrid. The legacy tiers end up being Tier 47 when the weapon is done with its business. You will still need 252 scrolls of empowerment per LI to max the tiers out. A first ager with legacy tiers leveled to tier 6 before imbue ends up with Tier 52 legacies post imbue. That's 217 scrolls of empowerment to max out.

So in summary:

The only grind these pre imbued LIs save you is item experience and star-lit crystals. They actually INCREASE your scroll of empowerment grind.

Here's a pic of the mace I got on my Valar'd minstrel:



Here's the selector box:

[Ballie]

One day the guard belt will get some love and the crystals will be, maybe, of some use, some day? Having the resources I'd max out crystals on dps and healer weapons and book just so if I happen to be on heal duty, my Piercing cry interrupt will do a bit more damage if don't want to bother with or have time for a swap, along with the heals on the kite do a bit more to the morale levels. But I buff the hunter melee weapon because I use the melee skills for control, CC.

There will be some players of these dual role classes that will only ever bother with one set of dual purpose ILS. Hard to cater to all the different content and play styles in the game. Again some will have particular hybrids in mind, with the additional 2 trait points becoming available with the update, there are going to be a few of us re-evaluating that best possible build and what legacies might come into our plans. A "free" extra pair of ILIs might be just the thing for a highly tuned set up if we don't need the boost. It's tough to change to a radically different build because so much depends on your ILIs, without the resources to change them and change them back again if it doesn't work out. Betas are too short these days to do all you want to achieve, no time for this time to even consider trait build possibilities, others will have I'm sure.

My Dorf will only use an axe and a ruddy big shield. A Hammer? Blag! PRers without a weapon type choice, watch out!

[Archiemundo]

I'll be using the Aria on a Dwarf Guard and would like the option to use a sword for tanking & 2H axe for DPS but I accept that it's a lot less work to use the pre imbued hammers & then make a couple of belts as they don't need the star-lits at the moment. I imagine most people, like me will have no where near enough scrolls to level up all of this stuff but it's still heaps better than the previous Aria.

[Flempz]

I was going to buy the middle pack to use an Aria on my Yellow Cappy, but there is no option for an One-handed LI for cappy.

40 bucks less for you guys

[Ballie]

I was going to buy the middle pack to use an Aria on my Yellow Cappy, but there is no option for an One-handed LI for cappy.

40 bucks less for you guys

That's the problem, so many things up in the air and not finalised. They might pull it out of the bag by Monday's build who knows? Their lack of feedback on the feedback doesn't help us or them. Selling the expansion sight unseen should be a lessen learned, but will it? Adding the bags after the event another issue.

[Ballie]

Looking back on Chromite's Screenshots in particular the Melee skills critical magnitude secondary on the Anthem Duration legacy. Yeah I know it's for the pre-fight buffers mostly but didn't we loose our only melee skill recently or is it still applying and are there other skills that are affected by this secondary? I don't do melee on mini, forgive me!

[Lord.Funk]

This feedback is probably too late by now but I feel it must be worth it to someone. This is as of Beta 3 of Bullroarer before it went down today.

Pros of the Pre Imbued LIs from the Soliloquy of the Valar package:

1) For inexperienced players who don't know about legacies, pre-selected legacies can get them to a somewhat ok standing.
2) The legacies are max experience leveled with item experience so no need to have to dump experience into them until you start adding empowerments.
3) The Tactical Damage Rating/DPS Rating/Healing Rating/etc are maxed with Star-lits (31/31)

Cons of the Pre Imbued LIs from the Soliloquy of the Valar package:

1) They are STILL Second Age Legendary Items that are just renamed First Age. They are missing the extra passive on class items. (Apparently the devs are aware and hopefully will fix this)
2) Star-lits basically get WASTED on a guardian belt of any kind if you choose a belt. Don't choose a belt! Same with Minstrel Healing weapon. Choose DPS weapon instead.
3) You cannot select what weapon type you get so can't take advantage of racial bonus or class needs. i.e. a healing minstrel or a tank would want a sword for the tiny 1% parry chance. Instead, a healing minstrel gets a mace and no other options.
4) The legacy tiers on the items are the absolute LOWEST you can get. This means the tiers BEFORE imbue were Tier 1! This is horrid. The legacy tiers end up being Tier 47 when the weapon is done with its business. You will still need 252 scrolls of empowerment per LI to max the tiers out. A first ager with legacy tiers leveled to tier 6 before imbue ends up with Tier 52 legacies post imbue. That's 217 scrolls of empowerment to max out.

So in summary:

The only grind these pre imbued LIs save you is item experience and star-lit crystals. They actually INCREASE your scroll of empowerment grind.

Here's a pic of the mace I got on my Valar'd minstrel:



Here's the selector box:

Thank You so much for clarifying all this !!!

I was considering making one more Hunter. As I have all the classes I want and thought that if I make one more hunter I can run more stuff each day. I guess now knowing this that does not seem like it saves me very much using this new Valar on a 2nd hunter. Star-lits are easy enough to get via Festivals anyway and if these LI's acctually increase the Emp Scroll grind then I really see no point with these LI's at all. Just that I would also need to get some Legacy replacements scrolls, so yet another grind that I usually don't have with my LI's.

Hmmm, now I don't know what I'll do. Still not decided which version to even pre-order and it's only days away from release now. Never felt this much indecision about an expansion and what version to get. I guess that is what Mordor taught me. Before Mordor I would without any hesitation get the largest Expansion. With the cosmetics included in Mordor Ultimate Edition, as well as the region itself, which I totally disliked like the plague and still do, I don't feel hyped for this one. Mordor was such a dissepointement to me and made me play less and only took 1 character through the reagion from start to end and just waited it out until the regions after were finally released. None of the MM cosmetics appeal to me either. Don't really need a Valar. Only thing would be the carry-all, but to only get 1x10 slot and 1x50 slots on only one character hardly seems worth the US$140 (plus exchange convertion rate loss and taxes). I felt more hyped for Iron Hills and Ered Mithrin. Even if I was hoping for better dwarven heavy armour skins in that expansion too, but aparat from that I enjoyed those 2 regions. Vales was OK'ish. The end game daily instances in Vales was better than the Skarhald daily/weekly 20/20 grind at least.

The thing is that whatever choice I/we make it's double the amount of money, as it's for both my son and I.

I don't care if I can afford it. That's beside the point. To me it's always about moneys worth. If I like something I'm willing to paya premium price. If take away all the things the pack includes that I don't really need or want and would not buy separately anyway, there isn't much left but the area itself. If I then end up disliking these regions as much as I disliked Mordor itself. Not ha dmuch time acctullay trying out most of the quests to see if they are more fun and the traveling around less painful than original mordor was. Seems besieged part is one of my least liked areas of Mordor. The area that burned me out due to beeing so far stretched out and all the riding back and forth manually. Seems they revisit alot of the mechanics as well and even some barter currencies like the "Relics" and I really don't want to grind Mordor all over again to get more of those. I guess getting new guild recipes is one thing I could like as well.

One redeeming factor is that they did not add LoE requirement it seems. That is the most positive I can say at this moment. A really BIG positive for me at least. I hope LoE (radiance 2.0) is buried for all time, finally. Not come back as some mechanic in some raid etc, so we feel forced to get LoE gear again. I guess that could be a reason I can use to motivate myself for pre-ordering this expansion, just to support the removal of LoE/radiance for good. I don't know. I'm usually a very decided person and not much can sway my decisons once made, but darn this time I have an issue even deciding.

[ChromiteSwiftpaw]

Here's the selector box:

I just wanted to reply to this picture as I noticed the tooltip:

"These items come pre-slotted with relics, have titles and several DPS and legacy tiers unlocked."

This is no longer the case. There are zero tiers unlocked for legacies and the legacies are worse off than applying legacy replacement scrolls before imbuing. (Tier 2 legacy replacements scrolls vs. a tier 1 legacy)

For those that don't understand, this is the equivalent of doing the following:

1) Making a Second Age LI
2) Somehow getting all Tier 1 legacies on the LI (somewhat appropriate ones..) and NOT replacing any legacies which would make them Tier 2.
3) Imbuing the LI with those Tier 1 legacies without the benefit of reforges or scroll of delving. Then, when imbued, they get converted to Tier 47 legacies.
4) Applying Title, Relics and all Star-lits to the LI

[Laurelinarien]

Thanks for the update Chromite... I did not have enough time this week to log in BR.

I don't understand why the premade LIs have gotten such a nerf from build 2 to this.

I'm appalled.

[pinlu]

Thanks for the update Chromite... I did not have enough time this week to log in BR.

I don't understand why the premade LIs have gotten such a nerf from build 2 to this.

I'm appalled.

I really hope this is a bug, because the point of the aria is to skip all previous content, not to hit lvl 130 and have to go back to farm MT daily, not my idea of fun
im Not going to even bother using two weapons,will just get the Emblem as i refuse to use a halberd in redline, can't even put a cosmetic over it for diffrent animations

[Ballie]

I really hope this is a bug, because the point of the aria is to skip all previous content, not to hit lvl 130 and have to go back to farm MT daily, not my idea of fun
im Not going to even bother using two weapons,will just get the Emblem as i refuse to use a halberd in redline, can't even put a cosmetic over it for diffrent animations

I'm getting to feel that reporting how so over generous the first iteration of these were that it may have spurred peeps to go for the higher packages instead of the standard. Pulling the plug on the second iteration, bait and switch. And use the "All Subject to change" get out of jail free card.

A blue can tell me I'm wrong by saying where they are going with the final build of these scripted ILI building mechanics. Neither pass worked, either a complete give away and thoroughly trashes our years of ILI efforts or so under levelled it's better to build your own, or further deceives the uninitiated.

[Laurelinarien]

I'm getting to feel that reporting how so over generous the first iteration of these were that it may have spurred peeps to go for the higher packages instead of the standard. Pulling the plug on the second iteration, bait and switch. And use the "All Subject to change" get out of jail free card.

A blue can tell me I'm wrong by saying where they are going with the final build of these scripted ILI building mechanics. Neither pass worked, either a complete give away and thoroughly trashes our years of ILI efforts or so under levelled it's better to build your own, or further deceives the uninitiated.

I totally get behind the anti-p2w movement against store-only options but these complaints lately are affecting those of us who actually support the game with real money (not long earned LPs) every time there's an expansion. I don't buy keys, I don't buy LI upgrades on store... I barely spend LP on some things like tomes when on sale.... and I know it's not a popular stance here in the forums, but why are we punished for spending in a way that we believe is helping a company stay solvent? I wasn't expecting a MAXED LI... and I really don't see the value in a TRASH LI (regardless of the "age" and color of the icon).

I don't regret my spending. I just wish they could find some balance and not slap us across the face.

[Lord.Funk]

I totally get behind the anti-p2w movement against store-only options but these complaints lately are affecting those of us who actually support the game with real money (not long earned LPs) every time there's an expansion. I don't buy keys, I don't buy LI upgrades on store... I barely spend LP on some things like tomes when on sale.... and I know it's not a popular stance here in the forums, but why are we punished for spending in a way that we believe is helping a company stay solvent? I wasn't expecting a MAXED LI... and I really don't see the value in a TRASH LI (regardless of the "age" and color of the icon).

I don't regret my spending. I just wish they could find some balance and not slap us across the face.

This is the issue with most things these days. Only the two most extreme loud sides are heard in any debate. The moderate masses in the middle never gets heard.

SSG adds something to make it easier for some (ease the grind), then one crowd screams that "it's not fair, the fluff players get for free what we worked for. Go play some festivals You don't need an LI". SSG NERF it, the other crowd goes, "this is cr@p, why should I pay and support this game?".

If they make something doable for all, one crowd goes "It's faceroll. SSG is a joke. Make it harder". SSG makes it harder, then the other crowd goes, "This is not fun, it's impossible. LoTRO is ony catering to the elite".

SSG adds ways to aquire gear without an insane grind. One crowd after a week or two goes "There is nothing to do. When is there a new expansion? SSG is understaffed and can't release content" etc. Then SSG make it an insane grind and add layers of new essences and ili and then the other crowd goes "we can't keep up, there is no point".

Same with class balance. They NERF one class or trait-tree to nothing, while boosting another class due to the loudest complaints. Then after a while the ones that was hit by the NERF gets loud and the tables are turned.

There is never any "balance" as long as You listen to only the two extremes. That goes for everything in life and society.

If You belong to the more moderate masses in the middle eventually You either give up or learn to scream and suddenly You sound like one of the extremes.