Forced emotes - worse than ever

[Dotlbeme]

I want to know what servers have the evil griefers waiting around every corner to slap you with a festival emote multiple times an hour. ...

My thoughts exactly. I even tried to solicit people to 'grief' me last festival. It was hard to find more than one or two people using the festival emotes and these were in the festival areas. The issue that REALLY affects the more vocal people here is that it is even POSSIBLE for someone to do it at all, not that they are actually being abused.

I'll stop now before I get sucked into this discussion yet another time...

[manstan]

When U9 goes live you'll have a stage outside the prancing pony with the Serious Business hotspot so you can play music in peace without any of those pesky forced emotes.

Hate to inform you of this, but that issue was solved months ago. You not being aware of this speaks volumes.

working from note pad now.




"Seeing people raging, over losing 3seconds of their life over an incident that happens in-game is hilarious."
Vincent_Price

Then you obviously don't understand the issue. And I see no reason to explain because you obviously can't comprehend it.

"Would be nice to have a dedicated area where people could work on the deeds with reduced cooldowns, say the party tree in hobbiton or the festival area near bree for instance. I think many people would just like to earn the emote and not want to bother anyone upset by them."
Idiotvillage

Which is why I have given up on and take no part in any festivals. Because that is basically the way things are now.

"a trend that has been increasing since the take over."
Bryzinkta

Sadly that trend isn't limited to LOTRO, it seems to be a common thing everywhere, for most games and applications. Seems most developmental companies have decided to go down the path they choose regardless of how many costumers it costs them. Face it, being a loyal customer/fan means nothing in this day and age.

"This is not real life. Someone making your chracter fall down, or cower from ghosts or appear to burn is not comparable to being assaulted in real life."
PerinStone

Wrong.

"My way of dealing with emotes is if I get spammed then I have my bags full of items to spam them back immediately. Funny how many of the idiots drop their emotes on you and then run for it, obviously they dont want the same annoyance else why do they run? I just hunt them down and wait till they are at the AH, mailbox or trying to kill something then hit them. Its pure delight to hear them yell at you for interrupting them. "
Laweh

Which makes you just as guilty as them, if not more so. They hit you as a random person, you hunt them down. How does that make you the better person?

"My thoughts exactly. I even tried to solicit people to 'grief' me last festival. It was hard to find more than one or two people using the festival emotes and these were in the festival areas. The issue that REALLY affects the more vocal people here is that it is even POSSIBLE for someone to do it at all, not that they are actually being abused."
Dotlbeme

Wrong.

[Darlgon]

And here comes the negative rep for my tolerance of the current game design, of that I have no doubt. The enraged forum minority who loves to cry that they are victims are the very first in line to ignore others and hand out negative rep.

Looks like you got a dev reply on the rest, but I had to reply to this part...

You apparently have no idea how much positive rep you have to have to hand out negative rep. A person has to give out massive positive rep to get to the ranking to even give neg rep. Usually, you get, "you need more postive rep."

[Orlor]

My thoughts exactly. I even tried to solicit people to 'grief' me last festival. It was hard to find more than one or two people using the festival emotes and these were in the festival areas. The issue that REALLY affects the more vocal people here is that it is even POSSIBLE for someone to do it at all, not that they are actually being abused.

I'll stop now before I get sucked into this discussion yet another time...

Try holding/attending a concert in front of the Pony in Landroval. You'll see it a-plenty. It has gone down a bit since school has re-convened and the new shiny toy (GW2) has been released but it is still present. There is one individual who is usually either inside or outside the pony everyday in the late morning/early afternoon. He does nothing but stand around, hit random people with the Black Silk Glove, wait for the cooldown and then repeat. He doesn't do quests or skirm, just stands there slapping people.

[Dotlbeme]

Try holding/attending a concert in front of the Pony in Landroval. You'll see it a-plenty. It has gone down a bit since school has re-convened and the new shiny toy (GW2) has been released but it is still present. There is one individual who is usually either inside or outside the pony everyday in the late morning/early afternoon. He does nothing but stand around, hit random people with the Black Silk Glove, wait for the cooldown and then repeat. He doesn't do quests or skirm, just stands there slapping people.

Apparently the Pony courtyard will be off-limits for this activity with U9. I am still waiting fo the gangs of griefers who haggard my every step from Michel Delving to Hobbiton.

Also, who are you to judge how someone plays the game. If they don't care about skirmishing, questing or even leveling it is of no concern to you is it?

[manstan]

" He does nothing but stand around, hit random people with the Black Silk Glove, wait for the cooldown and then repeat. He doesn't do quests or skirm, just stands there slapping people." Orlor

Also, who are you to judge how someone plays the game. If they don't care about skirmishing, questing or even leveling it is of no concern to you is it?

What? Did you not read, not comprehend, or just blow off what is said there?


For me getting hit with FEs around the prancing pony is an extreme rarity, if it happens it's usually some one standing around the milestone, hitting people as they rez in. Where I get hit most is at stables and festival grounds. In my opinion if they want to make certain areas serious busness they need to at least add milestone and stables, which tend to be FE ambush areas. I can easily avoid the festival areas most of the time.

[Whart]

While you're at it...how about looking for a way to protect the *audience* who don't have /music running?

(That is to say...I think you've gotten your solution backwards by adding protection to the very people that can't be affected at present and ignoring the people who want protection from forced emotes.)

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

^^THIS

As Max says further up the thread, we're getting bandaids instead of a real solution. First mounted, then music mode, now ONE safe area for RP events. None of these add up to being able to RP freely in the world (or craft, or fish, or...) without this nonsense.

(but Scary, I do like your level of interaction with the community--please keep it going!)

[Siegfriedpf]

Will there be other "Serious Business" hotspots added besides the stage by the Pony? I'm thinking it'd be nice to have them in the other low-level zones that get a lot of concerts--the Shire in particular could use one either at the Methel Stage or the Bird and Baby beer garden.

[maxjenius]

Actually, no, it doesn't, at all. It's an entirely passive and invisible action unless a griefer comes along, then they get griefed instead.

Actually, yes it does.

You apparently have no idea how much positive rep you have to have to hand out negative rep. A person has to give out massive positive rep to get to the ranking to even give neg rep. Usually, you get, "you need more postive rep."

There's no minimum amount of rep you have to have handed out before you can give -rep, your rep just has to be at a certain level (no idea what it is, though).

[forceofnone]

There is one other option. Make the forced emote effects client-only. The person doing them will see the effects on the characters around them, but the other players won't see them at all. That's a gaming-the-game type of idea, though. Even so, they get the chance to see the effects.

They get the chance to see the effects in a reflector solution, too. In fact, they will have an even better view. Win-win, right?

[Darlgon]

^^THIS

As Max says further up the thread, we're getting bandaids instead of a real solution. First mounted, then music mode, now ONE safe area for RP events. None of these add up to being able to RP freely in the world (or craft, or fish, or...) without this nonsense.

The solution would be to do something suggested above. Ban it from everywhere and designate certain areas for this.. what is another word for dog poo? Then, those who want to do it would be able to play off each other indefinitely.

Also, who are you to judge how someone plays the game. If they don't care about skirmishing, questing or even leveling it is of no concern to you is it?

Frankly, most of us dont give a rip what they do with their time. But,, this is about FORCED EMOTES, which force OTHER PLAYERS to do things, which in turn, interferes with THE OTHER PLAYERS gameplay. Its extremely aggravating to be moving stuff around in the bank, selling stuff on the AH and find yourself passed out on the floor because some idiot set off a stink bomb, or whatever they are called.

There's no minimum amount of rep you have to have handed out before you can give -rep, your rep just has to be at a certain level (no idea what it is, though).

One time, I tried to negative rep a person when I have 4 bars of rep and was told I needed more rep. I have only tried it once otherwise and that time it worked.. Considering how long I have been in this forums and only tried it 2 times..

[Katerchen]

Yep.
The day I have to buy an opt-out from the store is the last day I will play LotRO.

/signed

[Ameranth]

There's no minimum amount of rep you have to have handed out before you can give -rep, your rep just has to be at a certain level (no idea what it is, though).

IIRC, 1500.

And here comes the negative rep for my tolerance of the current game design, of that I have no doubt. The enraged forum minority who loves to cry that they are victims are the very first in line to ignore others and hand out negative rep.

The only people who can give out negative rep are the ones who have spent a long time proving they're a valued part of this community. The flipside of that is those same people are also loathe to -rep someone except in extreme circumstances, and merely voicing a dissenting opinion doesn't qualify. Negative rep is usually saved for rudeness, personal attacks, and other things that almost but don't quite qualify for the 'report this post' button. Oddly enough, the kind of people who are able to accumulate that much positive feedback also aren't the kind to abuse a little bit of power. Funny how that works out.

[Felajarko]

Oddly enough, the kind of people who are able to accumulate that much positive feedback also aren't the kind to abuse a little bit of power. Funny how that works out.

I will have to politely disagree with you on this point. Some of the 'valued members' of the community can still get pissy if you offer a dissenting view from theirs and get under their skin. There have been times when I did the same action as one of these 'valued members' who don't abuse their power and was neg repped for it. I am not going to say I am perfect, but I certainly would not put those able to give neg rep on a pedestal as paragons of the community.

[yawumpus]

for all those saying they would pay for an opt out are you bloody crazy? give them more ideas to wring the life out of the game. They implement a system open for abuse and then charge the individual players to not have their game affected by that system. Idiotic.

My way of dealing with emotes is if I get spammed then I have my bags full of items to spam them back immediately. Funny how many of the idiots drop their emotes on you and then run for it, obviously they dont want the same annoyance else why do they run? I just hunt them down and wait till they are at the AH, mailbox or trying to kill something then hit them. Its pure delight to hear them yell at you for interrupting them.

Hate to say it, but Turbine has sold opt-outs for festival griefing for years. Last item, 50TP note that this is for a thing that doesn't even interfere with your game, just one that changes your avatar's head back to normal. Careful readers will notice that opt-outs cost 10 times what griefer potions cost (you get 10 griefer items for 50TP). I can only assume that these forums assist griefers as well by banning anybody who tries to help people avoid them.

[PerinStone]

"This is not real life. Someone making your chracter fall down, or cower from ghosts or appear to burn is not comparable to being assaulted in real life."
PerinStone

Wrong.

So if I make your avatar fall down it is the same to you as if I walk up and punch you in the face?

[UrsaMinor]

So if I make your avatar fall down it is the same to you as if I walk up and punch you in the face?

Physically, no.

However, lost time is lost time. Makes no difference if the time is lost due to you knocking down my avatar ingame, or if it's lost because you were texting at the red light in front of me and didn't notice the change to green. Same few seconds are lost, and in either case that time loss happens in the real world.

[manstan]

So if I make your avatar fall down it is the same to you as if I walk up and punch you in the face?

Make up your mind, do you mean comparable or the same? They are comparable, but not the same, so which do you mean?

And I'll bring this up for the umtenth time, there has been many studies that show your brain responds chemically to virtual stimuli as real, so your brain doesn't know the difference.

Now there is a big difference between my character being knocked down and me being knocked down. I can jump up and do something about it, my character can't. Regardless, my emotional response is quite similar.

To cut you off at the pass, I said similar, not the same.

[maxjenius]

Physically, no. However, lost time is lost time. Makes no difference if the time is lost due to you knocking down my avatar ingame, or if it's lost because you were texting at the red light in front of me and didn't notice the change to green. Same few seconds are lost, and in either case that time loss happens in the real world.

You're playing a game. All the time you spend doing it is wasted (as is time spent on the forums, so the irony is not lost on me). I'm in favor of a toggle, but, yet again, comparing a minor in-game inconveniences to real-life situations is pure bollocks.

I will have to politely disagree with you on this point. Some of the 'valued members' of the community can still get pissy if you offer a dissenting view from theirs and get under their skin. There have been times when I did the same action as one of these 'valued members' who don't abuse their power and was neg repped for it. I am not going to say I am perfect, but I certainly would not put those able to give neg rep on a pedestal as paragons of the community.

I agree. I bet the majority of -rep would be removed if reported because most -reppers hand out -rep simply because they disagree with the post (which is not a valid reason, per forum rules, to hand out -rep).

There's a reason I keep my rep display disabled. I only see my rep when I go to add someone to my ignore list.

[Scarycrow]

Will there be other "Serious Business" hotspots added besides the stage by the Pony? I'm thinking it'd be nice to have them in the other low-level zones that get a lot of concerts--the Shire in particular could use one either at the Methel Stage or the Bird and Baby beer garden.

Added to the Methel Stage. Can you send me a /loc of the Bird and Baby Beer garden (in game type /loc into your chat window then send me all the numbers that spew out)

[maxjenius]

Added to the Methel Stage. Can you send me a /loc of the Bird and Baby Beer garden (in game type /loc into your chat window then send me all the numbers that spew out)

Why not (as someone recently suggested and as I suggested a long while back) make the default world setting "serious business" and then designate a few places as "Shenainganville?"

[Scarycrow]

Why not (as someone recently suggested and as I suggested a long while back) make the default world setting "serious business" and then designate a few places as "Shenainganville?"

We are currently having discussions about how to address this issue on a global scale. However, in the meantime I can add these hotspots so you'll have a few safe places for U10.

[manstan]

You're playing a game. All the time you spend doing it is wasted (as is time spent on the forums, so the irony is not lost on me). I'm in favor of a toggle, but, yet again, comparing a minor in-game inconveniences to real-life situations is pure bollocks.

As usually you neglected the "my opinion" part of that statement. You seem to do that with predictable regularity.

First up If I am enjoying my time playing it isn't wasted.

Second, I personally don't see FE as a "minor in-game inconvenience" they are more comparative to a full stop of the game. Lets try this, at random times, so times once and a while, some time practically continues, the game freezes for 5 seconds, would that be a "minor in-game inconvenience"? Would it upset you a little or a lot? Would you continue to play the game? Would you come on and complain about it in the forum? How is that any different then being hit by FEs? The freeze would actually be more forgivable because it is a game glitch. People purposely targeting you to be the victim of their FEs isn't as forgivable.

Third, I can dump a boat load of real life occurrences/situations that are quite comparable to being hit with FEs in game.

I often wonder just whom you are trying to convince by repeatedly using that same statement?

[maxjenius]

We are currently having discussions about how to address this issue on a global scale. However, in the meantime I can add these hotspots so you'll have a few safe places for U10.

I think that comment made a lot of people very happy, given all the requests for some solid input, one way or the other, from Turbine on the issue.

[whocares48392]

I'm one of the people who do FEs to get the deed. I try to focus on afk or festival area people, but I've also had one particular person complain after one snowball in Winterhome.

The way these items were 'fixed' was completely backwards. Reduce the deed to 100 items (or 50 for that matter) and remove the shared cooldowns. This will let the deeders get their portion done quickly. If you want to prevent people from buying piles of items, perhaps increase the cost in fest tokens once they have earned the skill?
For the skills, share the cooldown among all of them and make it 5 or 10 minutes. Right now, I have about 20 festival item skills and can hit them one after the other.

Most of the harassment I see is done using the skills and not by hoarding the festival items. The previous changes 'fixed' a problem that didn't exist, hurt the people who want to use these items normally, and didn't help the ones who don't like them.

I'd also be happy if these items were restricted to festival areas. Also, feel free to remove the black silk glove and hypno-toad's knockdowns.